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		<title>Responding to Responses to &#8220;What Automated Essay Grading Says To Children&#8221;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bud Hunt</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wrote a post the other day about what I feel like the use of machine scoring for student writing looks like to children.  The responses were strong.  I thought it made sense for me to clarify what I was &#8230; <a href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2012/04/25/responding-to-responses-to-what-automated-essay-grading-says-to-children/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="winerlinks-enabled"><a name="p0"></a>I <a href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2012/04/17/what-automated-essay-grading-says-to-children/" target="_blank">wrote a post the other day</a> about what I feel like the use of machine scoring for student writing looks like to children.  The responses were strong.  I thought it made sense for me to clarify what I was saying, what I wasn&#8217;t saying, and what I didn&#8217;t say. <a ref="permalink" title="Permalink to this paragraph" class="winerlink" href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2012/04/25/responding-to-responses-to-what-automated-essay-grading-says-to-children/#p0">#</a><p class="winerlinks-enabled"><a name="p1"></a>
Let&#8217;s tackle the last one first.  I didn&#8217;t say that I&#8217;m unsympathetic to the idea that more writing would happen if there was less grading to do.  Certainly, one reason that writing isn&#8217;t happening enough in classrooms now is that there&#8217;s a perception that every piece written must be &#8220;marked&#8221; or &#8220;graded&#8221; or &#8220;bled upon&#8221; by a teacher.  That&#8217;s completely false and a terrible idea. <a ref="permalink" title="Permalink to this paragraph" class="winerlink" href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2012/04/25/responding-to-responses-to-what-automated-essay-grading-says-to-children/#p1">#</a><p class="winerlinks-enabled"><a name="p2"></a>
What our students need isn&#8217;t so many end comments or suggestions for grammatical or technical correction, but they need to be responded to as writers by readers who are reading their work.  <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Writing-without-Teachers-Peter-Elbow/dp/0195120167" target="_blank">Peter Elbow</a> says this far smarter than I ever could, but we teachers should be doing less evaluating and more responding. <a ref="permalink" title="Permalink to this paragraph" class="winerlink" href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2012/04/25/responding-to-responses-to-what-automated-essay-grading-says-to-children/#p2">#</a><p class="winerlinks-enabled"><a name="p3"></a>
So, yes.  Teachers are taking too long with papers.  The answer isn&#8217;t to stop reading them. It&#8217;s to read them differently.  Or to have more teachers reading fewer students&#8217; writing.  And we don&#8217;t need to read everything that a student writes.  We certainly don&#8217;t need to grade everything a student writes. <a ref="permalink" title="Permalink to this paragraph" class="winerlink" href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2012/04/25/responding-to-responses-to-what-automated-essay-grading-says-to-children/#p3">#</a><p class="winerlinks-enabled"><a name="p4"></a>
Where I think this gets messy is, as <a href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2012/04/17/what-automated-essay-grading-says-to-children/comment-page-1/#comment-12570" target="_blank">evidenced by Justin&#8217;s comment</a>, is the notion that students need more grading from us in order to get better as writers.  They do not.  They need for we teachers to write with them, and to create cultures of inquiry and reflection rather than regurgitation in our classrooms.  They need to be treated as apprentice writers and brought up accordingly. <a ref="permalink" title="Permalink to this paragraph" class="winerlink" href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2012/04/25/responding-to-responses-to-what-automated-essay-grading-says-to-children/#p4">#</a><p class="winerlinks-enabled"><a name="p5"></a>
Robotic graders are for people too busy to read the work our students are investing in.  That&#8217;s not fair to our students. <a ref="permalink" title="Permalink to this paragraph" class="winerlink" href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2012/04/25/responding-to-responses-to-what-automated-essay-grading-says-to-children/#p5">#</a><p class="winerlinks-enabled"><a name="p6"></a>
Now, to clarify.  I&#8217;ve ben in classrooms where existing writing assessment software has been used, and I&#8217;ve been pleasantly surprised by what I&#8217;ve seen.  My most recent experience with a writing assessment tool was in a middle school classroom in my school district, where a gifted teacher was using the tool as a starting place for her writing courses.  The software did free her up to be in conversation with her students about their writing.  That was just the right way for her and the class to be &#8211; the students drafting, the teacher conversing and reading and being with her students. <a ref="permalink" title="Permalink to this paragraph" class="winerlink" href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2012/04/25/responding-to-responses-to-what-automated-essay-grading-says-to-children/#p6">#</a><p class="winerlinks-enabled"><a name="p7"></a>
The students wrote more and revised more.  In talking with them, they felt a connection to their teacher and that she was concerned for them as writers.  The software was a scaffold, and a place to start. <a ref="permalink" title="Permalink to this paragraph" class="winerlink" href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2012/04/25/responding-to-responses-to-what-automated-essay-grading-says-to-children/#p7">#</a><p class="winerlinks-enabled"><a name="p8"></a>
I was okay with that.  More than okay.  The teacher made the classroom shine.  The software augmented the teacher.  She could&#8217;ve run a similar, maybe not as prolific, writing workshop with her students using only paper and pencil. <a ref="permalink" title="Permalink to this paragraph" class="winerlink" href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2012/04/25/responding-to-responses-to-what-automated-essay-grading-says-to-children/#p8">#</a><p class="winerlinks-enabled"><a name="p9"></a>
And she read what they wrote.  And encouraged them to share their writing with each other. <a ref="permalink" title="Permalink to this paragraph" class="winerlink" href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2012/04/25/responding-to-responses-to-what-automated-essay-grading-says-to-children/#p9">#</a><p class="winerlinks-enabled"><a name="p10"></a>
Writing for a machine to read all the time, though, is not really writing.  It&#8217;s pretending.  It&#8217;s make believe.  And not the good and playful kind.  It&#8217;s faking it when there&#8217;s not an other someone reading at least some of the work.  We want our students to write well not because they&#8217;ll need to do so in some far off future job.  We want them to write well because they have something important to say to the world right now. <a ref="permalink" title="Permalink to this paragraph" class="winerlink" href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2012/04/25/responding-to-responses-to-what-automated-essay-grading-says-to-children/#p10">#</a><p class="winerlinks-enabled"><a name="p11"></a>
So let me clarify further.  I get how the computers do the &#8220;reading&#8221; that they do<sup><a href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2012/04/25/responding-to-responses-to-what-automated-essay-grading-says-to-children/#footnote_0_2808" id="identifier_0_2808" class="footnote-link footnote-identifier-link" title=" By the way,&nbsp;Justin&amp;#8217;s series on automated essay grading&nbsp;is worth your time if you want to understand the processes and processing involved. ">1</a></sup>.  And I won&#8217;t completely knock it.  It&#8217;s handy if you need to score a bunch of tests in a hurry. And that&#8217;s one kind of writing &#8211; writing as proof of knowing.  But it&#8217;s writing that assumes unimportance. <a ref="permalink" title="Permalink to this paragraph" class="winerlink" href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2012/04/25/responding-to-responses-to-what-automated-essay-grading-says-to-children/#p11">#</a><p class="winerlinks-enabled"><a name="p12"></a>
And it&#8217;s writing that suggests that the students could build their own robot essay writers to write their essays for them.  In fact, that&#8217;s what an awful lot of student &#8220;cheating&#8221; cases are &#8211; they&#8217;re crowdsourcing their homework.  Some students do that out of malicious intent.  Others out of ignorance.  But too many students fake their way through essays out of boredom, and out of the knowledge that the teacher&#8217;ll be in a hurry and probably not notice. <a ref="permalink" title="Permalink to this paragraph" class="winerlink" href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2012/04/25/responding-to-responses-to-what-automated-essay-grading-says-to-children/#p12">#</a><p class="winerlinks-enabled"><a name="p13"></a>
You&#8217;ve got to notice what your students are doing.  And you&#8217;re going to miss some things.  But you can&#8217;t miss all of them.  Maybe even most. <a ref="permalink" title="Permalink to this paragraph" class="winerlink" href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2012/04/25/responding-to-responses-to-what-automated-essay-grading-says-to-children/#p13">#</a><p class="winerlinks-enabled"><a name="p14"></a>
I don&#8217;t think a machine grading writing is the end-all of everything I hold dear.  I&#8217;m sympathetic to the argument that our students need to write more and perhaps the machines will encourage that.  But the fervor with which I suspect machine grading of writing will be adopted suggests the real problem &#8211; we don&#8217;t actually want to read and write with our students.  We want to do reading and writing to them.  And that&#8217;s wrong. <a ref="permalink" title="Permalink to this paragraph" class="winerlink" href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2012/04/25/responding-to-responses-to-what-automated-essay-grading-says-to-children/#p14">#</a><p class="winerlinks-enabled"><a name="p15"></a>
<ol class="footnotes"><li id="footnote_0_2808" class="footnote"> By the way, <a href="http://blogs.edweek.org/edweek/edtechresearcher/2012/04/grading_automated_essay_scoring_programs-_part_iii_classrooms.html" target="_blank">Justin&#8217;s series on automated essay grading</a> is worth your time if you want to understand the processes and processing involved. </li></ol> <a ref="permalink" title="Permalink to this paragraph" class="winerlink" href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2012/04/25/responding-to-responses-to-what-automated-essay-grading-says-to-children/#p15">#</a><p class="winerlinks-enabled"><a name="p16"></a><a class="a2a_button_twitter_tweet addtoany_special_service" data-count="none" data-url="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2012/04/25/responding-to-responses-to-what-automated-essay-grading-says-to-children/" data-text="Responding to Responses to &#8220;What Automated Essay Grading Says To Children&#8221;"></a><a class="a2a_button_google_plusone addtoany_special_service" 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		<title>What Automated Essay Grading Says To Children</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bud Hunt</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#8220;Your thoughts and ideas and writing are so important that, rather than investing in other people to mentor you and nurture your abilities, I&#8217;m going to have you put your words into a machine so I don&#8217;t have to be &#8230; <a href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2012/04/17/what-automated-essay-grading-says-to-children/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="winerlinks-enabled"><a name="p0"></a>&#8220;Your thoughts and ideas and writing are so important that, rather than investing in other people to mentor you and nurture your abilities, I&#8217;m going to have you put your words into a machine so I don&#8217;t have to be bothered to look at them.&#8221; <a ref="permalink" title="Permalink to this paragraph" class="winerlink" href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2012/04/17/what-automated-essay-grading-says-to-children/#p0">#</a><p class="winerlinks-enabled"><a name="p1"></a>
It&#8217;s a mixed message. <a ref="permalink" title="Permalink to this paragraph" class="winerlink" href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2012/04/17/what-automated-essay-grading-says-to-children/#p1">#</a><p class="winerlinks-enabled"><a name="p2"></a>
I&#8217;m all for students writing more. There is not enough writing occurring in schools.  But someone should be reading the precious texts we ask of our students. They are too important to be left to machines. <a ref="permalink" title="Permalink to this paragraph" class="winerlink" href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2012/04/17/what-automated-essay-grading-says-to-children/#p2">#</a><p class="winerlinks-enabled"><a name="p3"></a>
Or, perhaps, we should be rethinking what we ask students to write. And when. And why. <a ref="permalink" title="Permalink to this paragraph" class="winerlink" href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2012/04/17/what-automated-essay-grading-says-to-children/#p3">#</a><p class="winerlinks-enabled"><a name="p4"></a><a class="a2a_button_twitter_tweet addtoany_special_service" data-count="none" data-url="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2012/04/17/what-automated-essay-grading-says-to-children/" data-text="What Automated Essay Grading Says To Children"></a><a class="a2a_button_google_plusone addtoany_special_service" data-annotation="none" data-href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2012/04/17/what-automated-essay-grading-says-to-children/"></a><a class="a2a_button_facebook_like addtoany_special_service" data-href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2012/04/17/what-automated-essay-grading-says-to-children/"></a><a class="a2a_button_google_plus" href="http://www.addtoany.com/add_to/google_plus?linkurl=http%3A%2F%2Fbudtheteacher.com%2Fblog%2F2012%2F04%2F17%2Fwhat-automated-essay-grading-says-to-children%2F&amp;linkname=What%20Automated%20Essay%20Grading%20Says%20To%20Children" title="Google+" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><img src="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/wp-content/plugins/add-to-any/icons/google_plus.png" width="16" height="16" alt="Google+"/></a><a class="a2a_button_evernote" href="http://www.addtoany.com/add_to/evernote?linkurl=http%3A%2F%2Fbudtheteacher.com%2Fblog%2F2012%2F04%2F17%2Fwhat-automated-essay-grading-says-to-children%2F&amp;linkname=What%20Automated%20Essay%20Grading%20Says%20To%20Children" title="Evernote" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><img src="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/wp-content/plugins/add-to-any/icons/evernote.png" width="16" height="16" alt="Evernote"/></a><a class="a2a_button_email" href="http://www.addtoany.com/add_to/email?linkurl=http%3A%2F%2Fbudtheteacher.com%2Fblog%2F2012%2F04%2F17%2Fwhat-automated-essay-grading-says-to-children%2F&amp;linkname=What%20Automated%20Essay%20Grading%20Says%20To%20Children" title="Email" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><img src="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/wp-content/plugins/add-to-any/icons/email.png" width="16" height="16" alt="Email"/></a><a class="a2a_button_wordpress" href="http://www.addtoany.com/add_to/wordpress?linkurl=http%3A%2F%2Fbudtheteacher.com%2Fblog%2F2012%2F04%2F17%2Fwhat-automated-essay-grading-says-to-children%2F&amp;linkname=What%20Automated%20Essay%20Grading%20Says%20To%20Children" title="WordPress" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><img src="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/wp-content/plugins/add-to-any/icons/wordpress.png" width="16" height="16" alt="WordPress"/></a><a class="a2a_button_read_it_later" href="http://www.addtoany.com/add_to/read_it_later?linkurl=http%3A%2F%2Fbudtheteacher.com%2Fblog%2F2012%2F04%2F17%2Fwhat-automated-essay-grading-says-to-children%2F&amp;linkname=What%20Automated%20Essay%20Grading%20Says%20To%20Children" title="Read It Later" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><img src="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/wp-content/plugins/add-to-any/icons/read_it_later.png" width="16" height="16" alt="Read It Later"/></a><a class="a2a_button_instapaper" href="http://www.addtoany.com/add_to/instapaper?linkurl=http%3A%2F%2Fbudtheteacher.com%2Fblog%2F2012%2F04%2F17%2Fwhat-automated-essay-grading-says-to-children%2F&amp;linkname=What%20Automated%20Essay%20Grading%20Says%20To%20Children" title="Instapaper" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><img src="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/wp-content/plugins/add-to-any/icons/instapaper.png" width="16" height="16" alt="Instapaper"/></a><a class="a2a_dd a2a_target addtoany_share_save" href="http://www.addtoany.com/share_save#url=http%3A%2F%2Fbudtheteacher.com%2Fblog%2F2012%2F04%2F17%2Fwhat-automated-essay-grading-says-to-children%2F&amp;title=What%20Automated%20Essay%20Grading%20Says%20To%20Children" id="wpa2a_4"><img src="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/wp-content/plugins/add-to-any/share_save_120_16.png" width="120" height="16" alt="Share"/></a> <a ref="permalink" title="Permalink to this paragraph" class="winerlink" href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2012/04/17/what-automated-essay-grading-says-to-children/#p4">#</a></p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>#DML2012 &#8211; The Experience of Listening.  Was (Too Often) All.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bud Hunt</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[One of my takeaways from the DML 2012 conference is that the messages of connected learning have not quite caught up yet with the practices of academic conferences. # It&#8217;s a common complaint &#8211; both that I hear and that &#8230; <a href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2012/03/05/dml2012-the-experience-of-listening-was-too-often-all/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="winerlinks-enabled"><a name="p0"></a>One of my takeaways from <a href="http://dml2012.dmlcentral.net" target="_blank">the DML 2012 conference</a> is that the messages of connected learning have not quite caught up yet with the practices of academic conferences. <a ref="permalink" title="Permalink to this paragraph" class="winerlink" href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2012/03/05/dml2012-the-experience-of-listening-was-too-often-all/#p0">#</a><p class="winerlinks-enabled"><a name="p1"></a>
It&#8217;s a common complaint &#8211; both that I hear and that I sometimes make &#8211; that the learning spaces that we want for children should at least attempt to be modeled by the conferences/meetings where we go to talk about and explore learning possibilities. And while I get that there&#8217;s a culture or cultures to academia, and that much of the DML community is rooted in research and dissemination practices that are fairly formal, well, I&#8217;m struck that the medium and the messages of the event seemed to be in slight conflict.  Even on the mothership, the interesting stuff was still rather on the edge. <a ref="permalink" title="Permalink to this paragraph" class="winerlink" href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2012/03/05/dml2012-the-experience-of-listening-was-too-often-all/#p1">#</a><p class="winerlinks-enabled"><a name="p2"></a>
Having run conferences and meetups and managed the learning of others&#8217; both grown ups and children, I understand that it is a most difficult undertaking, so I should say right here that I found the DML event nothing short of wicked good. I learned a bunch and will be processing some powerful learning for a while to come. And yet. I&#8217;d gently suggest to the organizers of DML 2013 a few small points. <a ref="permalink" title="Permalink to this paragraph" class="winerlink" href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2012/03/05/dml2012-the-experience-of-listening-was-too-often-all/#p2">#</a><p class="winerlinks-enabled"><a name="p3"></a>
The first being a softball. I&#8217;m sure that everyone noticed that the space where the conference was held seemed far smaller than the people of DML. I think the folks there were the right folks &#8211; it was a fascinating mix of students and teachers and professors and researchers and makers and geeks.<sup><a href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2012/03/05/dml2012-the-experience-of-listening-was-too-often-all/#footnote_0_2605" id="identifier_0_2605" class="footnote-link footnote-identifier-link" title="That said, I didn&amp;#8217;t see lots of IT folk there &amp;#8211; but perhaps I wasn&amp;#8217;t looking hard enough. Or maybe operations types aren&amp;#8217;t the crowd of DML. Oh. That&amp;#8217;d be sad if it were true.">1</a></sup> But the way the conference was set up &#8211; or at least my version of it<sup><a href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2012/03/05/dml2012-the-experience-of-listening-was-too-often-all/#footnote_1_2605" id="identifier_1_2605" class="footnote-link footnote-identifier-link" title="Everyone, you know, has their own conference experience, a collection of what they saw, with whom they spoke, and a variety of other factors. No two people have the same experience, of course. I may well have had the &amp;#8220;bad&amp;#8221; one.">2</a></sup> &#8211; the sessions were overcrowded and packed into too small rooms and I couldn&#8217;t get to many of the things I wanted to see. Even when I could get a seat in a room &#8211; and to do so I had to stake out a space early &#8211; there were two or three other concurrent sessions I didn&#8217;t want to miss. <a ref="permalink" title="Permalink to this paragraph" class="winerlink" href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2012/03/05/dml2012-the-experience-of-listening-was-too-often-all/#p3">#</a><p class="winerlinks-enabled"><a name="p4"></a>
Here&#8217;s the tricky thing. At an event where the messages from the community and presenters and panelists were all about experiencing powerful participatory learning, well, we sure were expected, by design and practice and custom, to sit still and listen a lot. Certainly, we were listening to fascinating stories of promise and practice and learning and teaching and exploration and study and wonder &#8211; but we were listeners, and that&#8217;s a very particular kind of experience. <a ref="permalink" title="Permalink to this paragraph" class="winerlink" href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2012/03/05/dml2012-the-experience-of-listening-was-too-often-all/#p4">#</a><p class="winerlinks-enabled"><a name="p5"></a>
I listened to <a href="http://www.youtube.com/user/SuperAwesomeSylvia/feed" target="_blank">Super Awesome Sylvia</a> talk about making things that mattered. And I really enjoyed hearing from her, particularly when she raised the differences between her learning at home and at school.  But might we have made something together? <a ref="permalink" title="Permalink to this paragraph" class="winerlink" href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2012/03/05/dml2012-the-experience-of-listening-was-too-often-all/#p5">#</a><p class="winerlinks-enabled"><a name="p6"></a>
I listened to <a href="http://jessicaklein.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">Jess Klein</a> explain the potential of a <a href="https://wiki.mozilla.org/Hackasaurus" target="_blank">HackJam</a>. I love the tools and mindsets that Mozilla is building in that space.  Having experienced a <a href="http://nwphackjam.tumblr.com/" target="_blank">HackJam</a><sup><a href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2012/03/05/dml2012-the-experience-of-listening-was-too-often-all/#footnote_2_2605" id="identifier_2_2605" class="footnote-link footnote-identifier-link" title="That was masterfully facilitated at ISTE 2011 by Chad and Meenoo.">3</a></sup>, I know they are transformative. They are a Big Deal. Might we have done that together? At least a little bit?  Perhaps this happened and I missed it. <a ref="permalink" title="Permalink to this paragraph" class="winerlink" href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2012/03/05/dml2012-the-experience-of-listening-was-too-often-all/#p6">#</a><p class="winerlinks-enabled"><a name="p7"></a>
I came to one session where a presenter began to read from a paper &#8211; the same paper excerpted in the conference program &#8211; on the power of media for engaging students. The presenter read from the paper that was provided to me already. <a ref="permalink" title="Permalink to this paragraph" class="winerlink" href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2012/03/05/dml2012-the-experience-of-listening-was-too-often-all/#p7">#</a><p class="winerlinks-enabled"><a name="p8"></a>
Even in our session on the <a href="http://dml2012.dmlcentral.net/content/ipe-tapping-multiplicity-composition" target="_blank">multiplicity of composition</a> &#8211; a session that we <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1pj-6qUk5jiiGkRCqkdcVJmX522a-lJTerQ7hCl19s04/edit" target="_blank">intentionally attempted</a> to do <a href="http://pinterest.com/budtheteacher/tapping-into-the-multiplicity-of-composition-dml20/" target="_blank">differently</a> than <a href="http://pinterest.com/budtheteacher/panel-testimony-tapping-into-the-multiplicity-of-c/" target="_blank">a talking head panel</a> &#8211; we struggled to make it an active learning experience<sup><a href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2012/03/05/dml2012-the-experience-of-listening-was-too-often-all/#footnote_3_2605" id="identifier_3_2605" class="footnote-link footnote-identifier-link" title="The writing some of the participants shared during that session, I thought, is worth more of my time.">4</a></sup>.  I don&#8217;t know if we were struggling against the Internet access in the hotel, or the expectations of the audience, or the limits of our imagination. Or maybe something else. <a ref="permalink" title="Permalink to this paragraph" class="winerlink" href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2012/03/05/dml2012-the-experience-of-listening-was-too-often-all/#p8">#</a><p class="winerlinks-enabled"><a name="p9"></a>
There&#8217;s work to do. <a ref="permalink" title="Permalink to this paragraph" class="winerlink" href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2012/03/05/dml2012-the-experience-of-listening-was-too-often-all/#p9">#</a><p class="winerlinks-enabled"><a name="p10"></a>
I thought the idea of <a href="https://wiki.mozilla.org/DML_science_fair_2012" target="_blank">the Mozilla Science Fair</a> &#8211; an hour and a half long reception showcasing many of the institutions and organizations doing important learning work &#8211; was a great idea. But an hour or so of crowded tables meant we got short looks into thoughtful work. Those same twenty or so tables should&#8217;ve been parceled out over the entire event, with five at a time running engaging events modeling their fascinating and engaging practices.  There was a big empty space in the conference area that cried out for us to use it for playing and making and exploring and doing together.<sup><a href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2012/03/05/dml2012-the-experience-of-listening-was-too-often-all/#footnote_4_2605" id="identifier_4_2605" class="footnote-link footnote-identifier-link" title="The impromptu Occupy Badges session &amp;#8211; a spillout of the overcrowded session on Badges &amp;#8211; was a good example of what might&amp;#8217;ve happened in that space.">5</a></sup> <a ref="permalink" title="Permalink to this paragraph" class="winerlink" href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2012/03/05/dml2012-the-experience-of-listening-was-too-often-all/#p10">#</a><p class="winerlinks-enabled"><a name="p11"></a>
How can we collectively do a better job of modeling the structures, habits, and aptitudes we want to see of learning and learners, particularly when DML learns together? And what can we do with the listening we&#8217;ve done to improve the experiences that are to come? Yeah, I&#8217;m saying &#8220;we&#8221; and &#8220;DML,&#8221; because, <a href="http://classroots.org/2012/03/04/dml2012-i-am-the-teacher-underground/" target="_blank">like Chad</a>, I&#8217;m willing to say that I am engaged by this group of thoughtful people. I&#8217;d feel lucky to be counted as a member of the DML community.  I so want them/us to do well. <a ref="permalink" title="Permalink to this paragraph" class="winerlink" href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2012/03/05/dml2012-the-experience-of-listening-was-too-often-all/#p11">#</a><p class="winerlinks-enabled"><a name="p12"></a>
And there&#8217;s room to grow. <a ref="permalink" title="Permalink to this paragraph" class="winerlink" href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2012/03/05/dml2012-the-experience-of-listening-was-too-often-all/#p12">#</a><p class="winerlinks-enabled"><a name="p13"></a>
<ol class="footnotes"><li id="footnote_0_2605" class="footnote">That said, I didn&#8217;t see lots of IT folk there &#8211; but perhaps I wasn&#8217;t looking hard enough. Or maybe operations types aren&#8217;t the crowd of DML. Oh. That&#8217;d be sad if it were true.</li><li id="footnote_1_2605" class="footnote">Everyone, you know, has their own conference experience, a collection of what they saw, with whom they spoke, and a variety of other factors. No two people have the same experience, of course. I may well have had the &#8220;bad&#8221; one.</li><li id="footnote_2_2605" class="footnote">That was masterfully facilitated at ISTE 2011 by <a href="http://classroots.org/" target="_blank">Chad</a> and <a href="https://twitter.com/#!/mrami2" target="_blank">Meenoo</a>.</li><li id="footnote_3_2605" class="footnote">The <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1I-BxIGoktPA_Th5B3kzmpB6dmeog1wMuwpJrTqGe3Zk/edit" target="_blank">writing some of the participants shared</a> during that session, I thought, is worth more of my time.</li><li id="footnote_4_2605" class="footnote">The <a href="https://twitter.com/#!/dmlComp/status/175630861004312578" target="_blank">impromptu Occupy Badges session</a> &#8211; a spillout of the overcrowded session on Badges &#8211; was a good example of what might&#8217;ve happened in that space.</li></ol> <a ref="permalink" title="Permalink to this paragraph" class="winerlink" href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2012/03/05/dml2012-the-experience-of-listening-was-too-often-all/#p13">#</a><p class="winerlinks-enabled"><a name="p14"></a><a class="a2a_button_twitter_tweet addtoany_special_service" data-count="none" data-url="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2012/03/05/dml2012-the-experience-of-listening-was-too-often-all/" data-text="#DML2012 &#8211; The Experience of Listening.  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		<title>Getting Unstuck</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2011 22:38:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Bud Hunt</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I had a productive phone conversation yesterday with a colleague in the district.  She&#8217;s on one of our DLC teams and is a fine and thoughtful preschool teacher, the kind of teacher I want for my children, and she wanted &#8230; <a href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2011/12/14/getting-unstuck/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="winerlinks-enabled"><a name="p0"></a>I had a productive phone conversation yesterday with a colleague in the district.  She&#8217;s on one of our <a href="http://blogs.stvrain.k12.co.us/instructionaltechnology/dlc/" target="_blank">DLC teams</a> and is a fine and thoughtful preschool teacher, the kind of teacher I want for my children, and she wanted to talk through some of her ideas for the teacher research project that she&#8217;s working on.  It&#8217;s &#8220;due&#8221; in the Spring, and she&#8217;s having trouble coming up with a good idea for her research. <a ref="permalink" title="Permalink to this paragraph" class="winerlink" href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2011/12/14/getting-unstuck/#p0">#</a><p class="winerlinks-enabled"><a name="p1"></a>
Actually, that&#8217;s not true. <a ref="permalink" title="Permalink to this paragraph" class="winerlink" href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2011/12/14/getting-unstuck/#p1">#</a><p class="winerlinks-enabled"><a name="p2"></a>
Her &#8220;problem&#8221; is that she has several really good and interesting areas where she might turn her attention and skills as a teacher researcher, but all of them are appealing to her.  She talked through three ideas that sounded fairly fleshed out and interesting, and two or three more that might workout, but are less developed.  I wanted her to tackle all of them.  And I think she did, too.  But she was stuck because, really, she could ultimately only spend the time and energy on one of them. <a ref="permalink" title="Permalink to this paragraph" class="winerlink" href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2011/12/14/getting-unstuck/#p2">#</a><p class="winerlinks-enabled"><a name="p3"></a>
I think she mostly needed to say that out loud, and to have me reinforce it.  I look forward to the one she picks. <a ref="permalink" title="Permalink to this paragraph" class="winerlink" href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2011/12/14/getting-unstuck/#p3">#</a><p class="winerlinks-enabled"><a name="p4"></a>
It came up in the conversation that she&#8217;d noticed that I was stuck lately in my own writing and exploration, as you might have noticed, too, Dear Reader.  It&#8217;s been rather quiet here on the blog, and all the other spaces where I&#8217;m writing in public lately.  It&#8217;s been rather quiet in the spaces where I write for just me, too. <a ref="permalink" title="Permalink to this paragraph" class="winerlink" href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2011/12/14/getting-unstuck/#p4">#</a><p class="winerlinks-enabled"><a name="p5"></a>
This fall&#8217;s been <a href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2011/11/01/wait-i-wrote-a-thesis/" target="_blank">a busy one</a>, and I&#8217;ve had a pretty full plate.  But that&#8217;s not really why I&#8217;ve been quiet.  See, I&#8217;ve been stuck, too. <a ref="permalink" title="Permalink to this paragraph" class="winerlink" href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2011/12/14/getting-unstuck/#p5">#</a><p class="winerlinks-enabled"><a name="p6"></a>
Maybe I&#8217;ve been distracted by all stuff I&#8217;ve been doing to see what it is that was worth doing, or maybe it&#8217;s that I&#8217;m just tired.  Or maybe it&#8217;s just that time of year for me, a time of quiet. <a ref="permalink" title="Permalink to this paragraph" class="winerlink" href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2011/12/14/getting-unstuck/#p6">#</a><p class="winerlinks-enabled"><a name="p7"></a>
Or maybe, on my worst days perhaps certainly, I&#8217;m losing my way.  Maybe I&#8217;m losing hope.  But I try to work through that.  Being without hope, in the long term, isn&#8217;t a productive place to be. <a ref="permalink" title="Permalink to this paragraph" class="winerlink" href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2011/12/14/getting-unstuck/#p7">#</a><p class="winerlinks-enabled"><a name="p8"></a>
I gave that teacher a little suggestion as we ended our conversation yesterday, and I&#8217;m thinking I might take my own advice.  She was having trouble getting started because she didn&#8217;t know what project to choose.  I&#8217;m stuck because I don&#8217;t know where I want to go next, either.  What I suggested to her was that perhaps she might start writing her way through her topics and questions, and that, along the way, she might discover what it was that was worth her doing and seeing through.  I know that&#8217;s helped me in the past, and, in fact, is pretty much why I write in spaces like this. <a ref="permalink" title="Permalink to this paragraph" class="winerlink" href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2011/12/14/getting-unstuck/#p8">#</a><p class="winerlinks-enabled"><a name="p9"></a>
She responded that she might not know who&#8217;d want to read about that, or if what she&#8217;d be writing about would be obvious to everyone else<sup><a href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2011/12/14/getting-unstuck/#footnote_0_2466" id="identifier_0_2466" class="footnote-link footnote-identifier-link" title="In her case, as in most cases, that&amp;#8217;s certainly not true. She has things to say that no one else can. &nbsp;I bet you do, too.">1</a></sup>. <a ref="permalink" title="Permalink to this paragraph" class="winerlink" href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2011/12/14/getting-unstuck/#p9">#</a><p class="winerlinks-enabled"><a name="p10"></a>
That pushed me to one more suggestion.  I&#8217;m certainly interested in what she&#8217;s up to, and I&#8217;d like to hear from her when she thinks she&#8217;s something to say.  So, I told her, write to me.  Just do it in public.  She&#8217;s going to try. <a ref="permalink" title="Permalink to this paragraph" class="winerlink" href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2011/12/14/getting-unstuck/#p10">#</a><p class="winerlinks-enabled"><a name="p11"></a>
And that helped.  Both her and me.   I think. <a ref="permalink" title="Permalink to this paragraph" class="winerlink" href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2011/12/14/getting-unstuck/#p11">#</a><p class="winerlinks-enabled"><a name="p12"></a>
I forgot for a while.  One of the ways that I&#8217;ve always gotten myself unstuck is to try to write with one person in mind.  Writing for one person is better than writing for a universe of people.  Writing for one person might make sense.<sup><a href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2011/12/14/getting-unstuck/#footnote_1_2466" id="identifier_1_2466" class="footnote-link footnote-identifier-link" title="When I wrote music, something I wish I were doing more of, and have been thinking about starting again lately, I found that the best songs I had within me were written in the second person. Maybe there&amp;#8217;s something to that here, or at least right now. &nbsp;Or maybe this is a self-indulgent post. &nbsp;For the moment, to get unstuck, I&amp;#8217;m quite content whichever it happens to be.">2</a></sup><br />
So I&#8217;m writing today for just one or two people that might be interested in this update.  And I&#8217;m going to try to come to the blog for a while with one or two people in mind and see where that gets me. <a ref="permalink" title="Permalink to this paragraph" class="winerlink" href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2011/12/14/getting-unstuck/#p12">#</a><p class="winerlinks-enabled"><a name="p13"></a>
Because, for so many reasons,  I can&#8217;t stay stuck for long.  Just can&#8217;t.  So maybe this will help. <a ref="permalink" title="Permalink to this paragraph" class="winerlink" href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2011/12/14/getting-unstuck/#p13">#</a><p class="winerlinks-enabled"><a name="p14"></a>
It&#8217;s certainly worth a try. <a ref="permalink" title="Permalink to this paragraph" class="winerlink" href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2011/12/14/getting-unstuck/#p14">#</a><p class="winerlinks-enabled"><a name="p15"></a>
<ol class="footnotes"><li id="footnote_0_2466" class="footnote">In her case, as in most cases, that&#8217;s certainly not true. She has things to say that no one else can.  I bet you do, too.</li><li id="footnote_1_2466" class="footnote">When I wrote music, something I wish I were doing more of, and have been thinking about starting again lately, I found that the best songs I had within me were written in the second person. Maybe there&#8217;s something to that here, or at least right now.  Or maybe this is a self-indulgent post.  For the moment, to get unstuck, I&#8217;m quite content whichever it happens to be.</li></ol> <a ref="permalink" title="Permalink to this paragraph" class="winerlink" href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2011/12/14/getting-unstuck/#p15">#</a><p class="winerlinks-enabled"><a name="p16"></a><a class="a2a_button_twitter_tweet addtoany_special_service" data-count="none" data-url="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2011/12/14/getting-unstuck/" data-text="Getting Unstuck"></a><a class="a2a_button_google_plusone addtoany_special_service" data-annotation="none" data-href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2011/12/14/getting-unstuck/"></a><a class="a2a_button_facebook_like addtoany_special_service" data-href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2011/12/14/getting-unstuck/"></a><a class="a2a_button_google_plus" href="http://www.addtoany.com/add_to/google_plus?linkurl=http%3A%2F%2Fbudtheteacher.com%2Fblog%2F2011%2F12%2F14%2Fgetting-unstuck%2F&amp;linkname=Getting%20Unstuck" title="Google+" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><img src="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/wp-content/plugins/add-to-any/icons/google_plus.png" width="16" height="16" alt="Google+"/></a><a class="a2a_button_evernote" href="http://www.addtoany.com/add_to/evernote?linkurl=http%3A%2F%2Fbudtheteacher.com%2Fblog%2F2011%2F12%2F14%2Fgetting-unstuck%2F&amp;linkname=Getting%20Unstuck" title="Evernote" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><img src="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/wp-content/plugins/add-to-any/icons/evernote.png" width="16" height="16" alt="Evernote"/></a><a class="a2a_button_email" href="http://www.addtoany.com/add_to/email?linkurl=http%3A%2F%2Fbudtheteacher.com%2Fblog%2F2011%2F12%2F14%2Fgetting-unstuck%2F&amp;linkname=Getting%20Unstuck" title="Email" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><img src="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/wp-content/plugins/add-to-any/icons/email.png" width="16" height="16" alt="Email"/></a><a class="a2a_button_wordpress" href="http://www.addtoany.com/add_to/wordpress?linkurl=http%3A%2F%2Fbudtheteacher.com%2Fblog%2F2011%2F12%2F14%2Fgetting-unstuck%2F&amp;linkname=Getting%20Unstuck" title="WordPress" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><img src="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/wp-content/plugins/add-to-any/icons/wordpress.png" width="16" height="16" alt="WordPress"/></a><a class="a2a_button_read_it_later" href="http://www.addtoany.com/add_to/read_it_later?linkurl=http%3A%2F%2Fbudtheteacher.com%2Fblog%2F2011%2F12%2F14%2Fgetting-unstuck%2F&amp;linkname=Getting%20Unstuck" title="Read It Later" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><img src="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/wp-content/plugins/add-to-any/icons/read_it_later.png" width="16" height="16" alt="Read It Later"/></a><a class="a2a_button_instapaper" href="http://www.addtoany.com/add_to/instapaper?linkurl=http%3A%2F%2Fbudtheteacher.com%2Fblog%2F2011%2F12%2F14%2Fgetting-unstuck%2F&amp;linkname=Getting%20Unstuck" title="Instapaper" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><img src="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/wp-content/plugins/add-to-any/icons/instapaper.png" width="16" height="16" alt="Instapaper"/></a><a class="a2a_dd a2a_target addtoany_share_save" href="http://www.addtoany.com/share_save#url=http%3A%2F%2Fbudtheteacher.com%2Fblog%2F2011%2F12%2F14%2Fgetting-unstuck%2F&amp;title=Getting%20Unstuck" id="wpa2a_8"><img src="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/wp-content/plugins/add-to-any/share_save_120_16.png" width="120" height="16" alt="Share"/></a> <a ref="permalink" title="Permalink to this paragraph" class="winerlink" href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2011/12/14/getting-unstuck/#p16">#</a></p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>But Suppose They Don&#8217;t Care</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2011 04:44:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Bud Hunt</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I had the opportunity today to visit with a class at one of our high schools.  It&#8217;s a neat class where students are exploring the digital world that their schooling happens within.  They&#8217;re looking at electronic resources and portfolios and &#8230; <a href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2011/10/26/but-suppose-they-dont-care/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="winerlinks-enabled"><a name="p0"></a>I had the opportunity today to visit with a class at one of our high schools.  It&#8217;s a neat class where students are exploring the digital world that their schooling happens within.  They&#8217;re looking at electronic resources and portfolios and other things.  They asked me in to talk about blogs and blogging in light of my recent thesis work as well as my overall interest and experience in the topic.  They&#8217;ll be starting a blogging project soon, and I&#8217;ll be visiting with two more sections of the course tomorrow. <a ref="permalink" title="Permalink to this paragraph" class="winerlink" href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2011/10/26/but-suppose-they-dont-care/#p0">#</a><p class="winerlinks-enabled"><a name="p1"></a>
I shared <a href="http://bit.ly/bloglinkrepeat" target="_blank">this</a> with them, a distillation of some of the descriptive and prescriptive ideas I&#8217;ve written about blogs and blogging and bloggers.  I tried to emphasize that good blogging, is a simple set of skills: reading, writing and thinking, although not necessarily in that order.  Good blogging is a continuation of the tradition of good writers and folks from pre-digital times, too.  Good blogging is paying attention and asking good questions. Thomas Paine&#8217;s name came up. <a ref="permalink" title="Permalink to this paragraph" class="winerlink" href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2011/10/26/but-suppose-they-dont-care/#p1">#</a><p class="winerlinks-enabled"><a name="p2"></a>
Good blogging, too, is hard to do well.  It&#8217;s <a href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2010/09/20/on-purposeful-play/" target="_blank">play</a> dressed up to look like work.<sup><a href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2011/10/26/but-suppose-they-dont-care/#footnote_0_2385" id="identifier_0_2385" class="footnote-link footnote-identifier-link" title="Sometimes, with footnotes. &nbsp;Footnotes look much too workish to be fun, right?">1</a></sup> <a ref="permalink" title="Permalink to this paragraph" class="winerlink" href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2011/10/26/but-suppose-they-dont-care/#p2">#</a><p class="winerlinks-enabled"><a name="p3"></a>
My comments were nested in some of <a href="http://p2pu.org/en/groups/writing-common-core-deeper-learning-for-all/" target="_blank">my thinking over at P2PU about the Common Core standards</a> and what they have to say about reading and writing.  I dropped the s-bomb a few times.  Not because I wanted to, but because David Coleman, one of the architects of the standards, who&#8217;s now out on the road teaching folks what the CCSS are about, did in a talk a while back.  The larger talk he gave was about how the CCSS shifts the focus from some areas of literacy<sup><a href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2011/10/26/but-suppose-they-dont-care/#footnote_1_2385" id="identifier_1_2385" class="footnote-link footnote-identifier-link" title="Read: the personal.">2</a></sup> to others, namely more emphasis on informational text and close reading and writing. <a ref="permalink" title="Permalink to this paragraph" class="winerlink" href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2011/10/26/but-suppose-they-dont-care/#p3">#</a><p class="winerlinks-enabled"><a name="p4"></a>
I don&#8217;t mind that shift.  And I think some others have over exaggerated it.  But what I do mind very much is when he says this: <a ref="permalink" title="Permalink to this paragraph" class="winerlink" href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2011/10/26/but-suppose-they-dont-care/#p4">#</a><p class="winerlinks-enabled"><a name="p5"></a>
<blockquote><span style="color: #0000ff;">Do people know the two most popular forms of writing in the American high school today? Texting someone said; I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s for credit though yet. But I would say that as someone said it is personal writing. It is either the exposition of a personal opinion or it is the presentation of a personal matter. The only problem, forgive me for saying this so bluntly, the only problem with those two forms of writing is as you grow up in this world you realize people really don&#8217;t give a shit about what you feel or what you think. What they instead care about is can you make an argument with evidence, is there something verifiable behind what you&#8217;re saying or what you think or feel that you can demonstrate to me. It is rare in a working environment that someone says, &#8220;Johnson, I need a market analysis by Friday but before that I need a compelling account of your childhood.&#8221;<sup><a href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2011/10/26/but-suppose-they-dont-care/#footnote_2_2385" id="identifier_2_2385" class="footnote-link footnote-identifier-link" title="Link to the video &amp;#8211; about 8:30 on the time code. &nbsp;The unofficial transcript I&amp;#8217;m quoting from is here. &nbsp;The off the cuff reference to not giving a shit, surprisingly, isn&amp;#8217;t in the &amp;#8220;official transcript.&amp;#8221;">3</a></sup></span> <a ref="permalink" title="Permalink to this paragraph" class="winerlink" href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2011/10/26/but-suppose-they-dont-care/#p5">#</a><p class="winerlinks-enabled"><a name="p6"></a></blockquote>
While Coleman&#8217;s right about needing to be able to make an argument, or at least to use evidence and be verifiable<sup><a href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2011/10/26/but-suppose-they-dont-care/#footnote_3_2385" id="identifier_3_2385" class="footnote-link footnote-identifier-link" title="One concern I do have about the CCSS is the same that I do about education policy in general right now; who decides &amp;#8220;what counts?&amp;#8221;">4</a></sup>, he&#8217;s certainly wrong that no one cares.  As I told the students today, I&#8217;d say that the trick to writing with voice and passion and agency and with owning your learning is that people <em>will</em> give a shit about what you have to say.  But you&#8217;ve got to make them.  And that&#8217;s what a good writer, or blogger, does.  She makes others care and shows them why they should.  A blogger, at least in the <a href="http://weblogged.wikispaces.com/Connective+Writing" target="_blank">Richardsonian</a> <a href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2005/02/24/bud-and-blogs-20/" target="_blank">ideal</a><sup><a href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2011/10/26/but-suppose-they-dont-care/#footnote_4_2385" id="identifier_4_2385" class="footnote-link footnote-identifier-link" title="Which I think is the right model to aim for.">5</a></sup> is the embodiment of a close reader and attentive writer, or, as Coleman describes as the aim for students through the standards, a good blogger should: <a ref="permalink" title="Permalink to this paragraph" class="winerlink" href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2011/10/26/but-suppose-they-dont-care/#p6">#</a><p class="winerlinks-enabled"><a name="p7"></a>
<blockquote><span style="color: #0000ff;">Read like a detective and write like a conscientious investigative reporter.</span> <a ref="permalink" title="Permalink to this paragraph" class="winerlink" href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2011/10/26/but-suppose-they-dont-care/#p7">#</a><p class="winerlinks-enabled"><a name="p8"></a></blockquote>
Yeah.  Bloggers should be like that.  Good <a href="http://blog.sfgate.com/rheingold/2009/06/30/crap-detection-101/" target="_blank">crap detectors</a> making interesting stuff. <a ref="permalink" title="Permalink to this paragraph" class="winerlink" href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2011/10/26/but-suppose-they-dont-care/#p8">#</a><p class="winerlinks-enabled"><a name="p9"></a>
Sounds great, and there&#8217;s only one problem. <a ref="permalink" title="Permalink to this paragraph" class="winerlink" href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2011/10/26/but-suppose-they-dont-care/#p9">#</a><p class="winerlinks-enabled"><a name="p10"></a>
Suppose the students whom you want to blog and write and bleed their passions on a digital page somewhere as a way of learning to read and write and think just don&#8217;t care? <a ref="permalink" title="Permalink to this paragraph" class="winerlink" href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2011/10/26/but-suppose-they-dont-care/#p10">#</a><p class="winerlinks-enabled"><a name="p11"></a>
Suppose they&#8217;re indifferent about learning?   Or at least appear to be.  What do we do about that?  And what did we do to make that happen? <a ref="permalink" title="Permalink to this paragraph" class="winerlink" href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2011/10/26/but-suppose-they-dont-care/#p11">#</a><p class="winerlinks-enabled"><a name="p12"></a>
<ol class="footnotes"><li id="footnote_0_2385" class="footnote">Sometimes, with footnotes.  Footnotes look much too workish to be fun, right?</li><li id="footnote_1_2385" class="footnote">Read: the personal.</li><li id="footnote_2_2385" class="footnote"><a href="http://neric.welearntube.org/?q=node/146" target="_blank">Link to the video</a> &#8211; about 8:30 on the time code.  The unofficial transcript I&#8217;m quoting from is <a href="http://susanohanian.org/show_research.php?id=437" target="_blank">here</a>.  The off the cuff reference to not giving a shit, surprisingly, isn&#8217;t in the &#8220;<a href="http://usny.nysed.gov/rttt/resources/bringing-the-common-core-to-life.html" target="_blank">official transcript</a>.&#8221;</li><li id="footnote_3_2385" class="footnote">One concern I do have about the CCSS is the same that I do about education policy in general right now; who decides &#8220;<a href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2011/09/09/what-counts/" target="_blank">what counts</a>?&#8221;</li><li id="footnote_4_2385" class="footnote">Which I think is the right model to aim for.</li></ol> <a ref="permalink" title="Permalink to this paragraph" class="winerlink" href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2011/10/26/but-suppose-they-dont-care/#p12">#</a><p class="winerlinks-enabled"><a name="p13"></a><a class="a2a_button_twitter_tweet addtoany_special_service" data-count="none" data-url="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2011/10/26/but-suppose-they-dont-care/" data-text="But Suppose They Don&#8217;t Care"></a><a class="a2a_button_google_plusone addtoany_special_service" data-annotation="none" data-href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2011/10/26/but-suppose-they-dont-care/"></a><a class="a2a_button_facebook_like addtoany_special_service" data-href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2011/10/26/but-suppose-they-dont-care/"></a><a class="a2a_button_google_plus" href="http://www.addtoany.com/add_to/google_plus?linkurl=http%3A%2F%2Fbudtheteacher.com%2Fblog%2F2011%2F10%2F26%2Fbut-suppose-they-dont-care%2F&amp;linkname=But%20Suppose%20They%20Don%E2%80%99t%20Care" title="Google+" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><img src="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/wp-content/plugins/add-to-any/icons/google_plus.png" width="16" height="16" alt="Google+"/></a><a class="a2a_button_evernote" href="http://www.addtoany.com/add_to/evernote?linkurl=http%3A%2F%2Fbudtheteacher.com%2Fblog%2F2011%2F10%2F26%2Fbut-suppose-they-dont-care%2F&amp;linkname=But%20Suppose%20They%20Don%E2%80%99t%20Care" title="Evernote" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><img src="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/wp-content/plugins/add-to-any/icons/evernote.png" width="16" height="16" alt="Evernote"/></a><a class="a2a_button_email" href="http://www.addtoany.com/add_to/email?linkurl=http%3A%2F%2Fbudtheteacher.com%2Fblog%2F2011%2F10%2F26%2Fbut-suppose-they-dont-care%2F&amp;linkname=But%20Suppose%20They%20Don%E2%80%99t%20Care" title="Email" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><img src="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/wp-content/plugins/add-to-any/icons/email.png" width="16" height="16" alt="Email"/></a><a class="a2a_button_wordpress" href="http://www.addtoany.com/add_to/wordpress?linkurl=http%3A%2F%2Fbudtheteacher.com%2Fblog%2F2011%2F10%2F26%2Fbut-suppose-they-dont-care%2F&amp;linkname=But%20Suppose%20They%20Don%E2%80%99t%20Care" title="WordPress" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><img src="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/wp-content/plugins/add-to-any/icons/wordpress.png" width="16" height="16" alt="WordPress"/></a><a class="a2a_button_read_it_later" href="http://www.addtoany.com/add_to/read_it_later?linkurl=http%3A%2F%2Fbudtheteacher.com%2Fblog%2F2011%2F10%2F26%2Fbut-suppose-they-dont-care%2F&amp;linkname=But%20Suppose%20They%20Don%E2%80%99t%20Care" title="Read It Later" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><img src="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/wp-content/plugins/add-to-any/icons/read_it_later.png" width="16" height="16" alt="Read It Later"/></a><a class="a2a_button_instapaper" href="http://www.addtoany.com/add_to/instapaper?linkurl=http%3A%2F%2Fbudtheteacher.com%2Fblog%2F2011%2F10%2F26%2Fbut-suppose-they-dont-care%2F&amp;linkname=But%20Suppose%20They%20Don%E2%80%99t%20Care" title="Instapaper" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><img src="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/wp-content/plugins/add-to-any/icons/instapaper.png" width="16" height="16" alt="Instapaper"/></a><a class="a2a_dd a2a_target addtoany_share_save" href="http://www.addtoany.com/share_save#url=http%3A%2F%2Fbudtheteacher.com%2Fblog%2F2011%2F10%2F26%2Fbut-suppose-they-dont-care%2F&amp;title=But%20Suppose%20They%20Don%E2%80%99t%20Care" id="wpa2a_10"><img src="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/wp-content/plugins/add-to-any/share_save_120_16.png" width="120" height="16" alt="Share"/></a> <a ref="permalink" title="Permalink to this paragraph" class="winerlink" href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2011/10/26/but-suppose-they-dont-care/#p13">#</a></p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>When Badges Backfire</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Oct 2011 03:35:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Bud Hunt</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[One of several things that worries me about the DML focus on badges is that it’s entirely possible that a badge will backfire.  Badly. # If a badge’s purpose is to motivate folks who are doing interesting work on the &#8230; <a href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2011/10/17/when-badges-backfire/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="winerlinks-enabled"><a name="p0"></a>One of several things that worries me about<a href="http://www.dmlcompetition.net/" target="_blank"> the DML focus on badges</a> is that it’s entirely possible that a badge will backfire.  Badly. <a ref="permalink" title="Permalink to this paragraph" class="winerlink" href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2011/10/17/when-badges-backfire/#p0">#</a><p class="winerlinks-enabled"><a name="p1"></a>
If a badge’s purpose is to motivate folks who are doing interesting work on the fringe of school or teaching and learning, well, that’s very tricky business for a couple of reasons. <a ref="permalink" title="Permalink to this paragraph" class="winerlink" href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2011/10/17/when-badges-backfire/#p1">#</a><p class="winerlinks-enabled"><a name="p2"></a>
It’s possible, likely even, that the folks already doing the work on the fringe don’t need the motivation. They are, of course, already doing the work.  And the institutionalization of the fringe work may well kill the work that you were trying to cultivate.  It might be that <a href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2009/11/18/digital-is-or-isnt-or-always-never-was-or-not/" target="_blank">the fringe was what made the work</a>, ahem, work. <a ref="permalink" title="Permalink to this paragraph" class="winerlink" href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2011/10/17/when-badges-backfire/#p2">#</a><p class="winerlinks-enabled"><a name="p3"></a>
And so the badge saps the motivation from those who were already motivated and kills the thing they were motivated to do before the badge came along.  That&#8217;s before it may, or likely may not, bring new folks to the work to witness its horrible death<sup><a href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2011/10/17/when-badges-backfire/#footnote_0_2369" id="identifier_0_2369" class="footnote-link footnote-identifier-link" title="I recognize this is a cynical-sounding viewpoint. &nbsp;I would enjoy being proven wrong here.">1</a></sup>. <a ref="permalink" title="Permalink to this paragraph" class="winerlink" href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2011/10/17/when-badges-backfire/#p3">#</a><p class="winerlinks-enabled"><a name="p4"></a>
That wouldn’t really help. <a ref="permalink" title="Permalink to this paragraph" class="winerlink" href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2011/10/17/when-badges-backfire/#p4">#</a><p class="winerlinks-enabled"><a name="p5"></a>
But, because I believe badges are here to stay, and they’ll likely be with us for some time, and I hope in my better moments that my cynical self is ultimately wrong about them, then it makes sense to take advantage of the opportunity.  The trick, in supporting badges, then, is to think about badges that wouldn’t actually be motivational enough to start folks doing the work, but would be handy to have for other reasons.  Credentialing, perhaps, or community discovery.  And you’d want to focus those badges on work that can live in the mainstream, and won’t die when brought from the fringe. <a ref="permalink" title="Permalink to this paragraph" class="winerlink" href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2011/10/17/when-badges-backfire/#p5">#</a><p class="winerlinks-enabled"><a name="p6"></a>
If you&#8217;re counting on a badge to serve as a motivator, a reason to get students into the game, then I&#8217;m thinking you&#8217;re miscounting.  But, if you&#8217;re wanting to use a badge much in the same way as Pac-Man uses power pellets, or Sonic uses rings, or Mario gold coins, then you may well be on to something.  Don&#8217;t let the badge be the carrot.  Let it serve as a map or a pointer.  Don&#8217;t let the badge sell the game &#8211; but let it add to the gameplay.<sup><a href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2011/10/17/when-badges-backfire/#footnote_1_2369" id="identifier_1_2369" class="footnote-link footnote-identifier-link" title="I also recognize that using a game metaphor here might be a bad idea &amp;#8211; because plenty of the folks who are eager to see badges in play would also like to turn school into a big game. &nbsp;That school, in many ways, already is a big game, just not a very engaging one, is another conversation for a different day.">2</a></sup> <a ref="permalink" title="Permalink to this paragraph" class="winerlink" href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2011/10/17/when-badges-backfire/#p6">#</a><p class="winerlinks-enabled"><a name="p7"></a>
And make sure that the organizations that are supporting the badges are the ones that you want pointing the way. <a ref="permalink" title="Permalink to this paragraph" class="winerlink" href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2011/10/17/when-badges-backfire/#p7">#</a><p class="winerlinks-enabled"><a name="p8"></a>
In my next post, I&#8217;m going to lay out why I believe that the <a href="http://nwp.org" target="_blank">National Writing Project</a>, or some organization like them, should be pushing hard to propose a <a href="http://www.nwp.org/cs/public/print/programs/tic" target="_blank">teacher inquiry</a> or practitioner research badge.  They&#8217;re they right people to do so, and teacher research is certainly worth of more attention in our schools.  And teacher researchers could use tools like badges to help them find one another. <a ref="permalink" title="Permalink to this paragraph" class="winerlink" href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2011/10/17/when-badges-backfire/#p8">#</a><p class="winerlinks-enabled"><a name="p9"></a>
But that&#8217;s not the best reason to badge teacher researchers.  I&#8217;ll tell you about that in the next post. <a ref="permalink" title="Permalink to this paragraph" class="winerlink" href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2011/10/17/when-badges-backfire/#p9">#</a><p class="winerlinks-enabled"><a name="p10"></a>
In the meantime, what other stuff might you add to the list of useful badges? <a ref="permalink" title="Permalink to this paragraph" class="winerlink" href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2011/10/17/when-badges-backfire/#p10">#</a><p class="winerlinks-enabled"><a name="p11"></a>
<ol class="footnotes"><li id="footnote_0_2369" class="footnote">I recognize this is a cynical-sounding viewpoint.  I would enjoy being proven wrong here.</li><li id="footnote_1_2369" class="footnote">I also recognize that using a game metaphor here might be a bad idea &#8211; because plenty of the folks who are eager to see badges in play would also like to turn school into a big game.  That school, in many ways, already <em>is </em>a big game, just not a very engaging one, is another conversation for a different day.</li></ol> <a ref="permalink" title="Permalink to this paragraph" class="winerlink" href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2011/10/17/when-badges-backfire/#p11">#</a><p class="winerlinks-enabled"><a name="p12"></a><a class="a2a_button_twitter_tweet addtoany_special_service" data-count="none" data-url="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2011/10/17/when-badges-backfire/" data-text="When Badges Backfire"></a><a class="a2a_button_google_plusone addtoany_special_service" data-annotation="none" data-href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2011/10/17/when-badges-backfire/"></a><a class="a2a_button_facebook_like addtoany_special_service" data-href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2011/10/17/when-badges-backfire/"></a><a class="a2a_button_google_plus" href="http://www.addtoany.com/add_to/google_plus?linkurl=http%3A%2F%2Fbudtheteacher.com%2Fblog%2F2011%2F10%2F17%2Fwhen-badges-backfire%2F&amp;linkname=When%20Badges%20Backfire" title="Google+" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><img src="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/wp-content/plugins/add-to-any/icons/google_plus.png" width="16" height="16" alt="Google+"/></a><a class="a2a_button_evernote" href="http://www.addtoany.com/add_to/evernote?linkurl=http%3A%2F%2Fbudtheteacher.com%2Fblog%2F2011%2F10%2F17%2Fwhen-badges-backfire%2F&amp;linkname=When%20Badges%20Backfire" title="Evernote" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><img src="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/wp-content/plugins/add-to-any/icons/evernote.png" width="16" height="16" alt="Evernote"/></a><a class="a2a_button_email" href="http://www.addtoany.com/add_to/email?linkurl=http%3A%2F%2Fbudtheteacher.com%2Fblog%2F2011%2F10%2F17%2Fwhen-badges-backfire%2F&amp;linkname=When%20Badges%20Backfire" title="Email" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><img src="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/wp-content/plugins/add-to-any/icons/email.png" width="16" height="16" alt="Email"/></a><a class="a2a_button_wordpress" href="http://www.addtoany.com/add_to/wordpress?linkurl=http%3A%2F%2Fbudtheteacher.com%2Fblog%2F2011%2F10%2F17%2Fwhen-badges-backfire%2F&amp;linkname=When%20Badges%20Backfire" title="WordPress" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><img src="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/wp-content/plugins/add-to-any/icons/wordpress.png" width="16" height="16" alt="WordPress"/></a><a class="a2a_button_read_it_later" href="http://www.addtoany.com/add_to/read_it_later?linkurl=http%3A%2F%2Fbudtheteacher.com%2Fblog%2F2011%2F10%2F17%2Fwhen-badges-backfire%2F&amp;linkname=When%20Badges%20Backfire" title="Read It Later" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><img src="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/wp-content/plugins/add-to-any/icons/read_it_later.png" width="16" height="16" alt="Read It Later"/></a><a class="a2a_button_instapaper" href="http://www.addtoany.com/add_to/instapaper?linkurl=http%3A%2F%2Fbudtheteacher.com%2Fblog%2F2011%2F10%2F17%2Fwhen-badges-backfire%2F&amp;linkname=When%20Badges%20Backfire" title="Instapaper" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><img src="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/wp-content/plugins/add-to-any/icons/instapaper.png" width="16" height="16" alt="Instapaper"/></a><a class="a2a_dd a2a_target addtoany_share_save" href="http://www.addtoany.com/share_save#url=http%3A%2F%2Fbudtheteacher.com%2Fblog%2F2011%2F10%2F17%2Fwhen-badges-backfire%2F&amp;title=When%20Badges%20Backfire" id="wpa2a_12"><img src="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/wp-content/plugins/add-to-any/share_save_120_16.png" width="120" height="16" alt="Share"/></a> <a ref="permalink" title="Permalink to this paragraph" class="winerlink" href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2011/10/17/when-badges-backfire/#p12">#</a></p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>Ruminations on Implications: Notes from the Thesis</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Sep 2011 03:24:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Bud Hunt</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#8217;m taking a break from writing up the implications portion of my thesis by coming over here to write some more.  I&#8217;m beginning to get to the place in my research that I have some definite things to say about &#8230; <a href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2011/09/25/ruminations-on-implications-notes-from-the-thesis/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="winerlinks-enabled"><a name="p0"></a>I&#8217;m taking a break from writing up the implications portion of my thesis by coming over here to write some more.  I&#8217;m beginning to get to the place in my research that I have some definite things to say about what I found out.  But I&#8217;m having some trouble saying them.  Not because I know what they are &#8211; but, I think, because of what I&#8217;m using to write.  Word is not where I go to think.  It&#8217;s where I go to comply.  When I need to think about something, I come here, to a WordPress window in my browser<sup><a href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2011/09/25/ruminations-on-implications-notes-from-the-thesis/#footnote_0_2350" id="identifier_0_2350" class="footnote-link footnote-identifier-link" title="And, yeah, I suppose that means that I&amp;#8217;ve a significant bias about blogs and the power of blogging that, if I haven&amp;#8217;t yet, I need to be sure to disclose somewhere in the thesis.">1</a></sup>. <a ref="permalink" title="Permalink to this paragraph" class="winerlink" href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2011/09/25/ruminations-on-implications-notes-from-the-thesis/#p0">#</a><p class="winerlinks-enabled"><a name="p1"></a>
So maybe I&#8217;ll just try to do a little bit of freewriting here and see how it goes.  Here&#8217;s what I think I know right now as it relates to my research. <a ref="permalink" title="Permalink to this paragraph" class="winerlink" href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2011/09/25/ruminations-on-implications-notes-from-the-thesis/#p1">#</a><p class="winerlinks-enabled"><a name="p2"></a>
To start with, here are my research questions: <a ref="permalink" title="Permalink to this paragraph" class="winerlink" href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2011/09/25/ruminations-on-implications-notes-from-the-thesis/#p2">#</a><p class="winerlinks-enabled"><a name="p3"></a>
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<li>What does reading and writing for school-related purposes look like in school-sponsored online writing spaces?</li>
<li>Who is doing the writing in these spaces? The reading?</li>
<li>Are the new tools and affordances of online digital writing, tools like hyperlinks, and affordances like immediate publication and world-wide audience, a factor in these spaces?  If so, how?</li>
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While it&#8217;s certainly not a definitive collection of all the writing that&#8217;s happening in my school district, I&#8217;m going to take a guess and say that the three weeks of blog posts from the beginning of this school year that I&#8217;ve looked at in the course of my study are a good-sized sample of the public writing happening in my school district. <a ref="permalink" title="Permalink to this paragraph" class="winerlink" href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2011/09/25/ruminations-on-implications-notes-from-the-thesis/#p3">#</a><p class="winerlinks-enabled"><a name="p4"></a>
And, to start with, there&#8217;s just not enough of it.  In three weeks, I can count on both hands the number of classrooms doing public writing in this space.  And that leaves me with three fingers left to count other things. <a ref="permalink" title="Permalink to this paragraph" class="winerlink" href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2011/09/25/ruminations-on-implications-notes-from-the-thesis/#p4">#</a><p class="winerlinks-enabled"><a name="p5"></a>
Are students and teachers blogging or writing online<sup><a href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2011/09/25/ruminations-on-implications-notes-from-the-thesis/#footnote_1_2350" id="identifier_1_2350" class="footnote-link footnote-identifier-link" title="Oddly, in my world, and perhaps in yours, the word &amp;#8220;blogging&amp;#8221; has come to mean anything written in a Web browser that isn&amp;#8217;t an email, no matter where it ends up. &nbsp;Isn&amp;#8217;t that interesting? &nbsp;I might be a blog snob, but that bugs me. &nbsp;And it probably shouldn&amp;#8217;t. &nbsp;It&amp;#8217;s less of a problem for me than it used to be &amp;#8211; I don&amp;#8217;t correct people now when they say that. &nbsp;I used to.">2</a></sup> in other spaces?  Certainly.  One of the limitations of my study, one that I knew would be a problem for some of what I was wondering about, was that I am limited to public stuff.  If I wanted a fuller picture of what the writing that&#8217;s happening online in my school district looks like, I need to interrogate our district&#8217;s Moodle.  I need to peer into our district implementation of Google Docs.  On Thursday, a teacher in our district started sharing a Google Docs collection with me from one of his classes.  He was excited about the number of texts they were producing together.  I&#8217;ve not yet opened the folder &#8211; but I&#8217;ve watched a hundred or so documents enter into my document list.  Sometimes in real time, I&#8217;ve seen them drop into place. <a ref="permalink" title="Permalink to this paragraph" class="winerlink" href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2011/09/25/ruminations-on-implications-notes-from-the-thesis/#p5">#</a><p class="winerlinks-enabled"><a name="p6"></a>
Writing is happening. But why not here?<sup><a href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2011/09/25/ruminations-on-implications-notes-from-the-thesis/#footnote_2_2350" id="identifier_2_2350" class="footnote-link footnote-identifier-link" title="That&amp;#8217;s not one of my research questions. &nbsp;So what?">3</a></sup> <a ref="permalink" title="Permalink to this paragraph" class="winerlink" href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2011/09/25/ruminations-on-implications-notes-from-the-thesis/#p6">#</a><p class="winerlinks-enabled"><a name="p7"></a>
Here&#8217;s what I know about the writiing that I am seeing: <a ref="permalink" title="Permalink to this paragraph" class="winerlink" href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2011/09/25/ruminations-on-implications-notes-from-the-thesis/#p7">#</a><p class="winerlinks-enabled"><a name="p8"></a>
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<li>Students and teachers aren&#8217;t talking to each other, for the most part, via the blog engine.  I suspect they are talking in class, but they&#8217;re not writing back and forth in these spaces.  Three quarters of the posts I saw during the period of the study contained no comments.  Of the ones that held comments, only another large handful could be considered any sort of conversation &#8211; back and forth between the author of the post and the commenter(s).  If these students are writing because they expect an audience, well, then they&#8217;re still waiting.</li>
<li>Because no one&#8217;s responding, there&#8217;s a sense that no one&#8217;s reading.  Multiple times, I saw little snippets of text, clearly put up as tests, or left behind as mistakes, that weren&#8217;t taken down or adjusted.  Why bother, if no one&#8217;s looking &#8211; or it doesn&#8217;t seem like anyone is?</li>
<li>The kind of writing that&#8217;s being asked of students in these spaces?  Well, it&#8217;s interesting &#8211; I can break it down into three types &#8211; daily summaries, written collectively by elementary school classes; reflective essays about various topics; and responses to teacher questions.  Lots of it is writing that doesn&#8217;t require a blog.  And it&#8217;s writing that involves very, very, very little source material.  Very few quotes.  Very few links.  And the links, when they&#8217;re present, are not  embedded in the text.  They lie naked and open in the text.  And that seems problematic to me<sup><a href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2011/09/25/ruminations-on-implications-notes-from-the-thesis/#footnote_3_2350" id="identifier_3_2350" class="footnote-link footnote-identifier-link" title="But, again, I may well be a blog snob. &nbsp;But if the potential of the &amp;#8220;writing of the 21st Century&amp;#8221; is that it happens online and organically and is connected to other texts and blah blah blah &amp;#8211; suppose it&amp;#8217;s not. &nbsp;Is that *bad* or *problematic* or just unfortunate? &nbsp;Or is it just so? &nbsp;As I&amp;#8217;m in the middle of arguing that we need to make sure students have the tools to do this sort of work, a body of data that suggests, nah, it&amp;#8217;s not so important,&amp;#8221; is a little bit problematic.">4</a></sup></li>
<li>The writing that staff are doing is a little bit better<sup><a href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2011/09/25/ruminations-on-implications-notes-from-the-thesis/#footnote_4_2350" id="identifier_4_2350" class="footnote-link footnote-identifier-link" title="Oops &amp;#8211; judgement again. &nbsp;Might need a better word than, ahem, &amp;#8220;better.&amp;#8221;">5</a></sup> &#8211; like students, they&#8217;re writing reflective essays, and sharing lots of newslettery information.  But I can&#8217;t be sure, from this data set, if the folks they want to reach are being reached through this vehicle.</li>
</ul>
<div>In short, the blog engine seems to me, in this data set, at least, an <del>utter failure</del> underutilized tool.</div>
<div>And perhaps that&#8217;s an okay place to stop for right this moment.</div>
<ol class="footnotes"><li id="footnote_0_2350" class="footnote">And, yeah, I suppose that means that I&#8217;ve a significant bias about blogs and the power of blogging that, if I haven&#8217;t yet, I need to be sure to disclose somewhere in the thesis.</li><li id="footnote_1_2350" class="footnote">Oddly, in my world, and perhaps in yours, the word &#8220;blogging&#8221; has come to mean anything written in a Web browser that isn&#8217;t an email, no matter where it ends up.  Isn&#8217;t that interesting?  I might be a blog snob, but that bugs me.  And it probably shouldn&#8217;t.  It&#8217;s less of a problem for me than it used to be &#8211; I don&#8217;t correct people now when they say that.  I used to.</li><li id="footnote_2_2350" class="footnote">That&#8217;s not one of my research questions.  So what?</li><li id="footnote_3_2350" class="footnote">But, again, I may well be a blog snob.  But if the potential of the &#8220;writing of the 21st Century&#8221; is that it happens online and organically and is connected to other texts and blah blah blah &#8211; suppose it&#8217;s not.  Is that *bad* or *problematic* or just unfortunate?  Or is it just so?  As I&#8217;m <a href="https://plus.google.com/105846197728945321832/posts/RP78j4BqbGL" target="_blank">in the middle of arguing that we need to make sure students have the tools to do this sort of work</a>, a body of data that suggests, nah, it&#8217;s not so important,&#8221; is a little bit problematic.</li><li id="footnote_4_2350" class="footnote">Oops &#8211; judgement again.  Might need a better word than, ahem, &#8220;better.&#8221;</li></ol> <a ref="permalink" title="Permalink to this paragraph" class="winerlink" href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2011/09/25/ruminations-on-implications-notes-from-the-thesis/#p8">#</a><p class="winerlinks-enabled"><a name="p9"></a><a class="a2a_button_twitter_tweet addtoany_special_service" data-count="none" data-url="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2011/09/25/ruminations-on-implications-notes-from-the-thesis/" data-text="Ruminations on Implications: Notes from the Thesis"></a><a class="a2a_button_google_plusone addtoany_special_service" data-annotation="none" data-href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2011/09/25/ruminations-on-implications-notes-from-the-thesis/"></a><a class="a2a_button_facebook_like addtoany_special_service" data-href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2011/09/25/ruminations-on-implications-notes-from-the-thesis/"></a><a class="a2a_button_google_plus" href="http://www.addtoany.com/add_to/google_plus?linkurl=http%3A%2F%2Fbudtheteacher.com%2Fblog%2F2011%2F09%2F25%2Fruminations-on-implications-notes-from-the-thesis%2F&amp;linkname=Ruminations%20on%20Implications%3A%20Notes%20from%20the%20Thesis" title="Google+" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><img src="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/wp-content/plugins/add-to-any/icons/google_plus.png" width="16" height="16" alt="Google+"/></a><a class="a2a_button_evernote" href="http://www.addtoany.com/add_to/evernote?linkurl=http%3A%2F%2Fbudtheteacher.com%2Fblog%2F2011%2F09%2F25%2Fruminations-on-implications-notes-from-the-thesis%2F&amp;linkname=Ruminations%20on%20Implications%3A%20Notes%20from%20the%20Thesis" title="Evernote" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><img src="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/wp-content/plugins/add-to-any/icons/evernote.png" width="16" height="16" alt="Evernote"/></a><a class="a2a_button_email" href="http://www.addtoany.com/add_to/email?linkurl=http%3A%2F%2Fbudtheteacher.com%2Fblog%2F2011%2F09%2F25%2Fruminations-on-implications-notes-from-the-thesis%2F&amp;linkname=Ruminations%20on%20Implications%3A%20Notes%20from%20the%20Thesis" title="Email" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><img src="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/wp-content/plugins/add-to-any/icons/email.png" width="16" height="16" alt="Email"/></a><a class="a2a_button_wordpress" href="http://www.addtoany.com/add_to/wordpress?linkurl=http%3A%2F%2Fbudtheteacher.com%2Fblog%2F2011%2F09%2F25%2Fruminations-on-implications-notes-from-the-thesis%2F&amp;linkname=Ruminations%20on%20Implications%3A%20Notes%20from%20the%20Thesis" title="WordPress" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><img src="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/wp-content/plugins/add-to-any/icons/wordpress.png" width="16" height="16" alt="WordPress"/></a><a class="a2a_button_read_it_later" href="http://www.addtoany.com/add_to/read_it_later?linkurl=http%3A%2F%2Fbudtheteacher.com%2Fblog%2F2011%2F09%2F25%2Fruminations-on-implications-notes-from-the-thesis%2F&amp;linkname=Ruminations%20on%20Implications%3A%20Notes%20from%20the%20Thesis" title="Read It Later" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><img src="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/wp-content/plugins/add-to-any/icons/read_it_later.png" width="16" height="16" alt="Read It Later"/></a><a class="a2a_button_instapaper" href="http://www.addtoany.com/add_to/instapaper?linkurl=http%3A%2F%2Fbudtheteacher.com%2Fblog%2F2011%2F09%2F25%2Fruminations-on-implications-notes-from-the-thesis%2F&amp;linkname=Ruminations%20on%20Implications%3A%20Notes%20from%20the%20Thesis" title="Instapaper" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><img src="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/wp-content/plugins/add-to-any/icons/instapaper.png" width="16" height="16" alt="Instapaper"/></a><a class="a2a_dd a2a_target addtoany_share_save" href="http://www.addtoany.com/share_save#url=http%3A%2F%2Fbudtheteacher.com%2Fblog%2F2011%2F09%2F25%2Fruminations-on-implications-notes-from-the-thesis%2F&amp;title=Ruminations%20on%20Implications%3A%20Notes%20from%20the%20Thesis" id="wpa2a_14"><img src="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/wp-content/plugins/add-to-any/share_save_120_16.png" width="120" height="16" alt="Share"/></a> <a ref="permalink" title="Permalink to this paragraph" class="winerlink" href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2011/09/25/ruminations-on-implications-notes-from-the-thesis/#p9">#</a></p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>US Dept of Education Press Office Won&#8217;t Talk to (Bud the) Teacher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bud Hunt</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I continue to ask of everyone I can speak with in Washington and in Congressional and government offices alike: What is the rationale for eliminating funding for the National Writing Project? It is a simple question, or it seems to &#8230; <a href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2010/03/11/us-dept-of-education-press-office-wont-talk-to-bud-the-teacher/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="winerlinks-enabled"><a name="p0"></a>I <a href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2010/03/07/an-open-letter-to-my-elected-congressfolk-please-support-the-nwp/" target="_blank">continue to ask</a> of everyone I can speak with in Washington and in Congressional and government offices alike: What is the rationale for eliminating funding for the <a href="http://nwp.org" target="_blank">National Writing Project</a>?  It is a simple question, or it seems to be. But I can&#8217;t get anyone to answer it beyond <a href="http://ed.gov/news/pressreleases/2010/02/02012010.html" target="_blank">broad strokes</a> of &#8220;local and state redundancy&#8221; and &#8220;no significant impact&#8221; on students. Since I don&#8217;t understand how a national network can exist at the local or state level, and I have <a href="http://www.nwp.org/cs/public/print/doc/results.csp" target="_blank">evidence to the contrary</a> on impact on students and teachers, I&#8217;ll keep asking. It just doesn&#8217;t make sense. <a ref="permalink" title="Permalink to this paragraph" class="winerlink" href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2010/03/11/us-dept-of-education-press-office-wont-talk-to-bud-the-teacher/#p0">#</a><p class="winerlinks-enabled"><a name="p1"></a>
An added wrinkle is that <a href="http://twitter.com/nwpfundingconvo/favorites" target="_blank">one of the folks that I originally started asking the question of</a> is now, apparently, unwilling to talk to me at all. Here&#8217;s the story. <a ref="permalink" title="Permalink to this paragraph" class="winerlink" href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2010/03/11/us-dept-of-education-press-office-wont-talk-to-bud-the-teacher/#p1">#</a><p class="winerlinks-enabled"><a name="p2"></a>
Every day this week, before and after work, I&#8217;ve left a message with the Press Office of the Department of Education asking for an answer to my question for the rationale behind the elimination of the National Writing Project from the 2011 proposed education budget. On Tuesday morning, I had a very nice and pleasant exchange with one of the women who answers the phones at that line. She was polite as I explained my request, as she read it back to me, and confirmed my phone number and e-mail address. She asked me when I&#8217;d like a response. I told her five PM that day, which is a typical turnaround for a media response. She said someone would get back to me prior to that time. She also asked me what news organization I was with. I informed her that I was a blogger, and she said okay. <a ref="permalink" title="Permalink to this paragraph" class="winerlink" href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2010/03/11/us-dept-of-education-press-office-wont-talk-to-bud-the-teacher/#p2">#</a><p class="winerlinks-enabled"><a name="p3"></a>
No one returned that call. <a ref="permalink" title="Permalink to this paragraph" class="winerlink" href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2010/03/11/us-dept-of-education-press-office-wont-talk-to-bud-the-teacher/#p3">#</a><p class="winerlinks-enabled"><a name="p4"></a>
But <span style="text-decoration: line-through;">I&#8217;m stubborn</span> I understand how busy people are. So, Wednesday morning, I called the press office back and, as luck would have it, the phone was answered by the same person. She remembered my question, and pulled up her notes. She had my phone number right. But I didn&#8217;t get a call back. I asked her why. That&#8217;s when she informed me that, as I wasn&#8217;t a member of the press, I wasn&#8217;t entitled to a response from their office. <a href="http://tl.gd/fai46" target="_blank">That floored me a bit</a>. <a ref="permalink" title="Permalink to this paragraph" class="winerlink" href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2010/03/11/us-dept-of-education-press-office-wont-talk-to-bud-the-teacher/#p4">#</a><p class="winerlinks-enabled"><a name="p5"></a>
I asked her to explain who told her that. She put me on hold, and after a few moments, returned and explained that Sandra Abrevaya, one of the folks who manages <a href="http://twitter.com/edpresssec" target="_blank">the office&#8217;s Twitter presence</a>, fielded the request and informed the kind phone answerer that she should &#8220;only pass along (messages) if he is a reporter.&#8221; <a ref="permalink" title="Permalink to this paragraph" class="winerlink" href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2010/03/11/us-dept-of-education-press-office-wont-talk-to-bud-the-teacher/#p5">#</a><p class="winerlinks-enabled"><a name="p6"></a>
I asked the receptionist, who again would not give me her name, so far the only person in the entire Education Department who has actually spoken to me on the phone, if she would get a definition from Ms. Abrevaya as to what constitutes a &#8220;reporter.&#8221; (I&#8217;m thinking that I sure am &#8220;reporting&#8221; this conversation and my experience.) I have yet to hear back. <a ref="permalink" title="Permalink to this paragraph" class="winerlink" href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2010/03/11/us-dept-of-education-press-office-wont-talk-to-bud-the-teacher/#p6">#</a><p class="winerlinks-enabled"><a name="p7"></a>
<span>I was referred to a general question and information line, which was actually quite helpful. If you&#8217;d like to inquire about an educational issue, you may have the best results by calling 1-800-872-5327 and pressing 3. Then again, it might not be THAT useful, because I&#8217;m still waiting to hear back from the person to whom I was referred from there, too. </span> <a ref="permalink" title="Permalink to this paragraph" class="winerlink" href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2010/03/11/us-dept-of-education-press-office-wont-talk-to-bud-the-teacher/#p7">#</a><p class="winerlinks-enabled"><a name="p8"></a>
I guess I&#8217;d have to express my disappointment in the Department of Education&#8217;s Press Office, and specifically Sandra Abrevaya. As one of the folks behind the @EdPressSec Twitter account, she has been, presumably, receiving my replies and requests for information about the National Writing Project rationale for more than two weeks. My voice messages for about a week. And she chose to ignore them. Because I&#8217;m not a &#8220;reporter.&#8221; <a ref="permalink" title="Permalink to this paragraph" class="winerlink" href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2010/03/11/us-dept-of-education-press-office-wont-talk-to-bud-the-teacher/#p8">#</a><p class="winerlinks-enabled"><a name="p9"></a>
We cannot accept a government that simultaneously leverages social media to get their message out but ignores the messages of its constituents. I&#8217;m not willing to quit asking my question because I&#8217;m not a &#8220;reporter.&#8221; So, again, here&#8217;s what I&#8217;d like to know: <a ref="permalink" title="Permalink to this paragraph" class="winerlink" href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2010/03/11/us-dept-of-education-press-office-wont-talk-to-bud-the-teacher/#p9">#</a><p class="winerlinks-enabled"><a name="p10"></a>
What is the rationale for the elimination of the National Writing Project? What is the information that was used to make the decision? Who is the person or persons who ultimately made the decision, and how would they answer others&#8217; data that suggest strong results? <a ref="permalink" title="Permalink to this paragraph" class="winerlink" href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2010/03/11/us-dept-of-education-press-office-wont-talk-to-bud-the-teacher/#p10">#</a><p class="winerlinks-enabled"><a name="p11"></a>
Why is that such a hard collection of questions to get an answer to? Seems like they&#8217;d certainly like to hear from us, but not talk to us. <a ref="permalink" title="Permalink to this paragraph" class="winerlink" href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2010/03/11/us-dept-of-education-press-office-wont-talk-to-bud-the-teacher/#p11">#</a><p class="winerlinks-enabled"><a name="p12"></a>
I&#8217;ll keep trying. Maybe you will, too. <a ref="permalink" title="Permalink to this paragraph" class="winerlink" href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2010/03/11/us-dept-of-education-press-office-wont-talk-to-bud-the-teacher/#p12">#</a><p class="winerlinks-enabled"><a name="p13"></a>
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		<title>Equal Time &amp; Opting Out</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bud Hunt</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gary Stager: # Are there worksheets on the upside of slavery? # Equal time assumes all positions have equal merit.  They don&#8217;t.  Learning and institutions are subjective, no matter how loudly we suggest they&#8217;re not.  Attempting to pretend otherwise is &#8230; <a href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2009/09/05/equal-time-opting-out/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="winerlinks-enabled"><a name="p0"></a><a href="http://stager.tv/blog/?p=634" target="_blank">Gary Stager</a>: <a ref="permalink" title="Permalink to this paragraph" class="winerlink" href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2009/09/05/equal-time-opting-out/#p0">#</a><p class="winerlinks-enabled"><a name="p1"></a>
<blockquote><span style="color: #0000ff;">Are there worksheets on the upside of slavery?</span> <a ref="permalink" title="Permalink to this paragraph" class="winerlink" href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2009/09/05/equal-time-opting-out/#p1">#</a><p class="winerlinks-enabled"><a name="p2"></a></blockquote>
Equal time assumes all positions have equal merit.  They don&#8217;t.  Learning and institutions are subjective, no matter how loudly we suggest they&#8217;re not.  Attempting to pretend otherwise is destructive and self-defeating. <a ref="permalink" title="Permalink to this paragraph" class="winerlink" href="http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2009/09/05/equal-time-opting-out/#p2">#</a><p class="winerlinks-enabled"><a name="p3"></a>
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