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	<title>Comments on: ISTE Changes This Year&#8217;s Policy; Bloggers Still Lose</title>
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		<title>By: MaryAnn Sansonetti</title>
		<link>http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2008/06/20/iste-changes-this-years-policy-bloggers-still-lose/comment-page-1/#comment-1715</link>
		<dc:creator>MaryAnn Sansonetti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 01:52:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Bud. I read a couple of rants and thought some of the same thoughts as you. Two really great posts I read were &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.speedofcreativity.org/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; Wes Fryer &lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://ideasandthoughts.org/2008/06/19/iste-what-up/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Dean Shareski&lt;/a&gt;.

MaryAnn Sansonettis last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://snapshots.techforschool.org/?p=73&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;NECC 2008 … approaching fast&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Bud. I read a couple of rants and thought some of the same thoughts as you. Two really great posts I read were <a href="http://www.speedofcreativity.org/" rel="nofollow"> Wes Fryer </a> and <a href="http://ideasandthoughts.org/2008/06/19/iste-what-up/" rel="nofollow">Dean Shareski</a>.</p>
<p>MaryAnn Sansonettis last blog post..<a href="http://snapshots.techforschool.org/?p=73" rel="nofollow">NECC 2008 … approaching fast</a></p>
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		<title>By: Bud Hunt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bud Hunt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 20:39:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anne-Marie: Thanks for stopping by.  I&#039;ll be at NECC - look forward to seeing you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anne-Marie: Thanks for stopping by.  I&#8217;ll be at NECC &#8211; look forward to seeing you.</p>
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		<title>By: Anne-Marie Wilcox</title>
		<link>http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2008/06/20/iste-changes-this-years-policy-bloggers-still-lose/comment-page-1/#comment-1713</link>
		<dc:creator>Anne-Marie Wilcox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 20:24:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Bud!
Good thoughts.
Are you going to be at NECC?  If so, see you there! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Bud!<br />
Good thoughts.<br />
Are you going to be at NECC?  If so, see you there! <img src='http://budtheteacher.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Bud Hunt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bud Hunt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 21:50:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Miguel,

  I look forward to the karaoke version of that tune - a duet, of course. You name the place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Miguel,</p>
<p>  I look forward to the karaoke version of that tune &#8211; a duet, of course. You name the place.</p>
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		<title>By: Miguel Guhlin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Miguel Guhlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 21:42:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vicki, yes, change always happens when we ask for it. . .except when it doesn&#039;t. I like Mary Catherine Swanson&#039;s words:

Power concedes nothing without demand–never has, never will. As we seek the courage to overcome, we must remember our students. We now face a critical juncture. We can change the course of history. Those who define the issues also determine the outcome. 
END

So, I&#039;m grateful to ISTE for making the policy change. I&#039;m sure the planning for NECC 2009 will encompass more voices.

Take care,
Miguel</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vicki, yes, change always happens when we ask for it. . .except when it doesn&#8217;t. I like Mary Catherine Swanson&#8217;s words:</p>
<p>Power concedes nothing without demand–never has, never will. As we seek the courage to overcome, we must remember our students. We now face a critical juncture. We can change the course of history. Those who define the issues also determine the outcome.<br />
END</p>
<p>So, I&#8217;m grateful to ISTE for making the policy change. I&#8217;m sure the planning for NECC 2009 will encompass more voices.</p>
<p>Take care,<br />
Miguel</p>
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		<title>By: Miguel Guhlin</title>
		<link>http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2008/06/20/iste-changes-this-years-policy-bloggers-still-lose/comment-page-1/#comment-1705</link>
		<dc:creator>Miguel Guhlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 21:38:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bud, I&#039;ve been completely open about why I wrote about this issue.

Too bad you don&#039;t see it from where you stand. However, I do hope that what we both can see in common will help us develop a uniform policy that is fair to noncommercial podcasters, as well as protects those who do not use Creative Commons Copyright ShareAlike-Attribution-NonCommercial or use GPL.

At the risk of sending the wrong message...

And even though I know how very far apart we are,
It helps to think we might be wishing
On the same bright star...
It helps to think we&#039;re working underneath the
Same big sky. 

8-&gt;

Miguel</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bud, I&#8217;ve been completely open about why I wrote about this issue.</p>
<p>Too bad you don&#8217;t see it from where you stand. However, I do hope that what we both can see in common will help us develop a uniform policy that is fair to noncommercial podcasters, as well as protects those who do not use Creative Commons Copyright ShareAlike-Attribution-NonCommercial or use GPL.</p>
<p>At the risk of sending the wrong message&#8230;</p>
<p>And even though I know how very far apart we are,<br />
It helps to think we might be wishing<br />
On the same bright star&#8230;<br />
It helps to think we&#8217;re working underneath the<br />
Same big sky. </p>
<p>8-&gt;</p>
<p>Miguel</p>
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		<title>By: Bud Hunt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bud Hunt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 21:19:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Miguel - Your letter and aggregation of the conversation were certainly useful and productive - and I thank you for them.  I wonder why, though, Texas&#039;s situation allows for some sort of special permission to write in bold, hyperbolic strokes that veered on occasion from the precision and accuracy that I usually see in, and admire about, much of your work.  Perhaps you can fill us in on that.  

  Certainly, good and healthy dialogue is no more common in Colorado than I suspect it is in Texas.  That makes our words and actions all the more crucial.  

  I look forward to the continuing conversation about how to navigate rights and permissions and access at these types of events, as well as in classrooms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Miguel &#8211; Your letter and aggregation of the conversation were certainly useful and productive &#8211; and I thank you for them.  I wonder why, though, Texas&#8217;s situation allows for some sort of special permission to write in bold, hyperbolic strokes that veered on occasion from the precision and accuracy that I usually see in, and admire about, much of your work.  Perhaps you can fill us in on that.  </p>
<p>  Certainly, good and healthy dialogue is no more common in Colorado than I suspect it is in Texas.  That makes our words and actions all the more crucial.  </p>
<p>  I look forward to the continuing conversation about how to navigate rights and permissions and access at these types of events, as well as in classrooms.</p>
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		<title>By: Vicki Davis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vicki Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 12:07:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All I know is that I got together a list of the sessions I wanted to ustream (those that were &quot;official&quot; sessions) -- asked for permission from ISTE - confirmed permission from the others being there and then was done.  I was told that ustreaming is considered &quot;amateur&quot; video and that wasn&#039;t really an issue in the policy.

I didn&#039;t realize there was a problem until I saw everyone up at arms.  I didn&#039;t see that the policy restricted hallway recordings, etc.

I do think that if someone&#039;s session is ustreamed or podcast that the presenter should always be asked if it is OK.  The writing thing was a bit of a bummer - but OK, get a piece of paper -- I do agree, though that ISTE having to give it in writing for each time was way too prohibitive.

I don&#039;t know -- but every time I emailed ISTE, they&#039;ve been more than accommodating.  I don&#039;t have time to go into the history of everything that happened but wonder if ISTE was emailed before blog posts were put out there.  If not, I agree with Bud.  Check things out then post.

Vicki Daviss last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/CoolCatTeacherBlog/~3/316849232/math-videos-and-math-cast-innovation-in.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Math Videos and Math Cast Innovation in Sixth grade&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All I know is that I got together a list of the sessions I wanted to ustream (those that were &#8220;official&#8221; sessions) &#8212; asked for permission from ISTE &#8211; confirmed permission from the others being there and then was done.  I was told that ustreaming is considered &#8220;amateur&#8221; video and that wasn&#8217;t really an issue in the policy.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t realize there was a problem until I saw everyone up at arms.  I didn&#8217;t see that the policy restricted hallway recordings, etc.</p>
<p>I do think that if someone&#8217;s session is ustreamed or podcast that the presenter should always be asked if it is OK.  The writing thing was a bit of a bummer &#8211; but OK, get a piece of paper &#8212; I do agree, though that ISTE having to give it in writing for each time was way too prohibitive.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know &#8212; but every time I emailed ISTE, they&#8217;ve been more than accommodating.  I don&#8217;t have time to go into the history of everything that happened but wonder if ISTE was emailed before blog posts were put out there.  If not, I agree with Bud.  Check things out then post.</p>
<p>Vicki Daviss last blog post..<a href="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/CoolCatTeacherBlog/~3/316849232/math-videos-and-math-cast-innovation-in.html" rel="nofollow">Math Videos and Math Cast Innovation in Sixth grade</a></p>
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		<title>By: Miguel Guhlin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Miguel Guhlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 02:50:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bud, I could care less if some perceive this to be &quot;blog power&quot; or not. Transparency and openness don&#039;t always reveal a beautiful face...sometimes it&#039;s a bearded one (smile).

What I am grateful for is that I was able to quickly get the word out via blog and twitter, encourage others to write a letter--and I thought my example was appropriate--and share the results.

Also, ISTE&#039;s decision has repercussions in my state that you&#039;re unaware of. To see them take an authoritarian stand was disheartening. I see their decision to listen to their members as a victory, not over an organization, but a victory for ed-tech leaders that we ALL share in.

Yes, there were some who took the opportunity to take pot-shots at ISTE, whether via twitter or comments or blogs. However, the focus remains on a simple fact that edubloggers spoke, and ISTE folks LISTENED. It&#039;s reciprocal communication and I&#039;m grateful.

Dialogue like this may happen a lot where you&#039;re at, but it&#039;s not a universal experience in K-12 education. Mark Ahlness said it well in the comments at Wes Fryer&#039;s blog.

Ok, let&#039;s focus on the next steps and continuing and deepening the dialogue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bud, I could care less if some perceive this to be &#8220;blog power&#8221; or not. Transparency and openness don&#8217;t always reveal a beautiful face&#8230;sometimes it&#8217;s a bearded one (smile).</p>
<p>What I am grateful for is that I was able to quickly get the word out via blog and twitter, encourage others to write a letter&#8211;and I thought my example was appropriate&#8211;and share the results.</p>
<p>Also, ISTE&#8217;s decision has repercussions in my state that you&#8217;re unaware of. To see them take an authoritarian stand was disheartening. I see their decision to listen to their members as a victory, not over an organization, but a victory for ed-tech leaders that we ALL share in.</p>
<p>Yes, there were some who took the opportunity to take pot-shots at ISTE, whether via twitter or comments or blogs. However, the focus remains on a simple fact that edubloggers spoke, and ISTE folks LISTENED. It&#8217;s reciprocal communication and I&#8217;m grateful.</p>
<p>Dialogue like this may happen a lot where you&#8217;re at, but it&#8217;s not a universal experience in K-12 education. Mark Ahlness said it well in the comments at Wes Fryer&#8217;s blog.</p>
<p>Ok, let&#8217;s focus on the next steps and continuing and deepening the dialogue.</p>
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		<title>By: adinasullivan</title>
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		<dc:creator>adinasullivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 02:14:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for a great post.  There is power in blogs, Nings, Twitter, etc. to inform and mobilize individuals toward a common cause.  There is also the power to cause a bit of mob mentality if we aren&#039;t careful. This time it was for a noble cause and done with positive intentions, but reactionary just the same.  I guess we&#039;re all human after all.  The good news is that humans can learn :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for a great post.  There is power in blogs, Nings, Twitter, etc. to inform and mobilize individuals toward a common cause.  There is also the power to cause a bit of mob mentality if we aren&#8217;t careful. This time it was for a noble cause and done with positive intentions, but reactionary just the same.  I guess we&#8217;re all human after all.  The good news is that humans can learn <img src='http://budtheteacher.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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