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	<title>Comments on: Lies.  Statistics.  Whatever.</title>
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		<title>By: Alice</title>
		<link>http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2008/04/11/lies-statistics-whatever/comment-page-1/#comment-1598</link>
		<dc:creator>Alice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2008 21:40:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As Mark Twain said, &quot; There are three kinds of lies: white lies, damned lies, and statistics.&quot;

It does hinge upon definition and then the spin of the interpretation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As Mark Twain said, &#8221; There are three kinds of lies: white lies, damned lies, and statistics.&#8221;</p>
<p>It does hinge upon definition and then the spin of the interpretation.</p>
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		<title>By: Illinois &#187; Illinois - C+: State Technology Grades</title>
		<link>http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2008/04/11/lies-statistics-whatever/comment-page-1/#comment-1549</link>
		<dc:creator>Illinois &#187; Illinois - C+: State Technology Grades</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 17:51:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] really think a post by Bud the Teacher is appropriate for this discussion:  Lies. Statistics. Whatever.  Let him and the rest of us know what you think!   Posted on April 14, 2008 in State of Illinois, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] really think a post by Bud the Teacher is appropriate for this discussion:  Lies. Statistics. Whatever.  Let him and the rest of us know what you think!   Posted on April 14, 2008 in State of Illinois, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
		<link>http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2008/04/11/lies-statistics-whatever/comment-page-1/#comment-1520</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 14:39:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I always am a little leery of statistics for the reasons you mention, and others.  For example, the statistic that half of new teachers quit within five years is often held up to show the state of our schools.  I&#039;ve never see statistics about how long a typical college graduate stays at a non-teaching job.  Is it similar to teachers?  Higher?  Lower?  Without that piece, the other piece of information doesn&#039;t mean much.

The example I always give to my students about how statistics can be manipulated is as follows:  A company notices that 40% of all sick days are taken on a Monday or Friday, so they assume that staff aren&#039;t sick, they&#039;re taking advantage of sick time to have a long weekend.  They clamp down on sick time and start harassing their employees, only to discover later that if sick days were randomly taken all five days of the week, that would be 20% each day.  Any two days added together would be 40%.  Statistics can be very tricky.  Especially for folks like me who have never taken a statistics course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always am a little leery of statistics for the reasons you mention, and others.  For example, the statistic that half of new teachers quit within five years is often held up to show the state of our schools.  I&#8217;ve never see statistics about how long a typical college graduate stays at a non-teaching job.  Is it similar to teachers?  Higher?  Lower?  Without that piece, the other piece of information doesn&#8217;t mean much.</p>
<p>The example I always give to my students about how statistics can be manipulated is as follows:  A company notices that 40% of all sick days are taken on a Monday or Friday, so they assume that staff aren&#8217;t sick, they&#8217;re taking advantage of sick time to have a long weekend.  They clamp down on sick time and start harassing their employees, only to discover later that if sick days were randomly taken all five days of the week, that would be 20% each day.  Any two days added together would be 40%.  Statistics can be very tricky.  Especially for folks like me who have never taken a statistics course.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
		<link>http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2008/04/11/lies-statistics-whatever/comment-page-1/#comment-1514</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 01:29:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree totally with Mr. K&#039;s comment about data not being the same as information.

Also, I would like to think we could still consider technologically literate to require some understanding of code.  Especially with the focus on Web 2.0, we are at a time when more than ever students are able to &quot;go to the code&quot; (just right click and &#039;view source code&#039;), and yet current tech standards say almost nothing about programming ability.

I tend to agree with Guido van Rossum, creator of the Python programming language:

&quot;...while many people nowadays use a computer, few of them are computer programmers. Non-programmers aren&#039;t really &quot;empowered&quot; in how they can use their computer: they are confined to using applications in ways that &quot;programmers&quot; have determined for them.&quot;

http://www.python.org/doc/essays/cp4e.html

It seems to me that there is no other way (besides teaching the fundamentals of programming) that students will ever be able to reach the standard you quoted:

&quot;VI. Technology Operations and Concepts       

Students demonstrate a sound understanding of technology concepts, systems and operations.  Students:       

A.  understand and use technology systems.       

B.  select and use applications effectively and productively.       

C.  troubleshoot systems and applications.       &quot;

I can&#039;t see students reaching those three standards without knowing how programs are made.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree totally with Mr. K&#8217;s comment about data not being the same as information.</p>
<p>Also, I would like to think we could still consider technologically literate to require some understanding of code.  Especially with the focus on Web 2.0, we are at a time when more than ever students are able to &#8220;go to the code&#8221; (just right click and &#8216;view source code&#8217;), and yet current tech standards say almost nothing about programming ability.</p>
<p>I tend to agree with Guido van Rossum, creator of the Python programming language:</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;while many people nowadays use a computer, few of them are computer programmers. Non-programmers aren&#8217;t really &#8220;empowered&#8221; in how they can use their computer: they are confined to using applications in ways that &#8220;programmers&#8221; have determined for them.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.python.org/doc/essays/cp4e.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.python.org/doc/essays/cp4e.html</a></p>
<p>It seems to me that there is no other way (besides teaching the fundamentals of programming) that students will ever be able to reach the standard you quoted:</p>
<p>&#8220;VI. Technology Operations and Concepts       </p>
<p>Students demonstrate a sound understanding of technology concepts, systems and operations.  Students:       </p>
<p>A.  understand and use technology systems.       </p>
<p>B.  select and use applications effectively and productively.       </p>
<p>C.  troubleshoot systems and applications.       &#8221;</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t see students reaching those three standards without knowing how programs are made.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. K</title>
		<link>http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2008/04/11/lies-statistics-whatever/comment-page-1/#comment-1511</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 21:55:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Back when I was a bit jockey, and &quot;technologically literate&quot; meant that you could actually write the software that ran on your computer, we knew that
data != information.

All the fooferaw about &quot;data&quot; these days makes me thing we&#039;ve forgotten that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Back when I was a bit jockey, and &#8220;technologically literate&#8221; meant that you could actually write the software that ran on your computer, we knew that<br />
data != information.</p>
<p>All the fooferaw about &#8220;data&#8221; these days makes me thing we&#8217;ve forgotten that.</p>
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		<title>By: Britt Watwood</title>
		<link>http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2008/04/11/lies-statistics-whatever/comment-page-1/#comment-1510</link>
		<dc:creator>Britt Watwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 21:49:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just blogged about this same subject and then found your post.  You said it better and I like the analysis of different definitions, which I will add to my delicious links.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just blogged about this same subject and then found your post.  You said it better and I like the analysis of different definitions, which I will add to my delicious links.</p>
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