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		<title>By: Marilyn Olander</title>
		<link>http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2007/02/22/framing-blogging-making-connections/comment-page-1/#comment-927</link>
		<dc:creator>Marilyn Olander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2007 22:28:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,

It seems to me that there are two different issues at play here, the noun &quot;a blog&quot; and the verb &quot;to blog.&quot; The first is relatively easy, while the second is more complex, more difficult to teach and to learn.

For most of their school lives, students are trained to know learning as a noun. They go to a class, write a paper, take a test, listen to a lecture, complete a homework assignment in a closed loop of teacher -&gt; task -&gt; grade. There are occasional excursions outside this loop, for instance when students work together in small groups to critique each other&#039;s papers (not always a useful exercise if they don&#039;t have the tools to recognize what they see and provide useful explanations), or to complete a joint project. But the loop is still there, with the teacher the final word on the value of whatever it is. 

A blog is different, but still a noun. However, it is in a different realm altogether: blog posts are public voices. Students need to have the time first to recognize the sounds of their voices, and then to realize that they have become part of a community when they post at all, when someone responds to something posted, or they decide to write a comment to a post. That is the perfect opportunity to start the transition to &quot;blog&quot; as a verb: to remind students that their engaging with others via a blog is a variation of what they are already doing outside of school via text messaging and other interactive communication.

Writing as a tool can&#039;t really be regarded separately: it is the essence of both &quot;a blog&quot; as a public voice and &quot;to blog&quot; is an act of communication -- with all the possibilities to come for enrichment of the blog post itself, of the thinking that precedes writing, of the reading that helps prompt writing, of the networking via links and threaded conversations with others. 

I agree with Tony: students make some transitions from blogs to blogging naturally and indirectly. More complex uses of blogs that change the focus to the verb -- from the writing to the person doing the writing -- evolve with time and experience: learning to use links, learning how to read and think and be prompted by ideas rather than assignments, learning to reach out and become part of a network of thinking writers. And all of that must still be in the context of what children (elementary, middle, high school) are capable of doing.  Not all learning is readily discernible . . .  



 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,</p>
<p>It seems to me that there are two different issues at play here, the noun &#8220;a blog&#8221; and the verb &#8220;to blog.&#8221; The first is relatively easy, while the second is more complex, more difficult to teach and to learn.</p>
<p>For most of their school lives, students are trained to know learning as a noun. They go to a class, write a paper, take a test, listen to a lecture, complete a homework assignment in a closed loop of teacher -> task -> grade. There are occasional excursions outside this loop, for instance when students work together in small groups to critique each other&#8217;s papers (not always a useful exercise if they don&#8217;t have the tools to recognize what they see and provide useful explanations), or to complete a joint project. But the loop is still there, with the teacher the final word on the value of whatever it is. </p>
<p>A blog is different, but still a noun. However, it is in a different realm altogether: blog posts are public voices. Students need to have the time first to recognize the sounds of their voices, and then to realize that they have become part of a community when they post at all, when someone responds to something posted, or they decide to write a comment to a post. That is the perfect opportunity to start the transition to &#8220;blog&#8221; as a verb: to remind students that their engaging with others via a blog is a variation of what they are already doing outside of school via text messaging and other interactive communication.</p>
<p>Writing as a tool can&#8217;t really be regarded separately: it is the essence of both &#8220;a blog&#8221; as a public voice and &#8220;to blog&#8221; is an act of communication &#8212; with all the possibilities to come for enrichment of the blog post itself, of the thinking that precedes writing, of the reading that helps prompt writing, of the networking via links and threaded conversations with others. </p>
<p>I agree with Tony: students make some transitions from blogs to blogging naturally and indirectly. More complex uses of blogs that change the focus to the verb &#8212; from the writing to the person doing the writing &#8212; evolve with time and experience: learning to use links, learning how to read and think and be prompted by ideas rather than assignments, learning to reach out and become part of a network of thinking writers. And all of that must still be in the context of what children (elementary, middle, high school) are capable of doing.  Not all learning is readily discernible . . .  </p>
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		<title>By: Nancy McKeand</title>
		<link>http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2007/02/22/framing-blogging-making-connections/comment-page-1/#comment-926</link>
		<dc:creator>Nancy McKeand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Feb 2007 15:10:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This semester I am really trying to get my students to make connections with their blogging.  One way that I am trying to do this is by totally changing the assignment.  I asked students to choose a topic that they are interested in.  I didn&#039;t care what the topic was as long as they were willing to read and write about it for a semester.  (Of course, my students are college age seminary students, so I am fairly safe leaving it so open.) Each week they are to find an article online or in print media dealing with their topics, briefly summarize the article and then reflect on it in some way.  While we are pretty much just beginning with this, I am impressed with how much better it is going than other blogging assignments have.  

What I have not tried to do really is have them read blogs (other than each others&#039;) and connect to them.  My students are still a little afraid of blogs.  I would gradually like to introduce them to blogs related to their topics, though, and encourage them to write about posts in them.  Maybe next month...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This semester I am really trying to get my students to make connections with their blogging.  One way that I am trying to do this is by totally changing the assignment.  I asked students to choose a topic that they are interested in.  I didn&#8217;t care what the topic was as long as they were willing to read and write about it for a semester.  (Of course, my students are college age seminary students, so I am fairly safe leaving it so open.) Each week they are to find an article online or in print media dealing with their topics, briefly summarize the article and then reflect on it in some way.  While we are pretty much just beginning with this, I am impressed with how much better it is going than other blogging assignments have.  </p>
<p>What I have not tried to do really is have them read blogs (other than each others&#8217;) and connect to them.  My students are still a little afraid of blogs.  I would gradually like to introduce them to blogs related to their topics, though, and encourage them to write about posts in them.  Maybe next month&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Bud Hunt</title>
		<link>http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2007/02/22/framing-blogging-making-connections/comment-page-1/#comment-925</link>
		<dc:creator>Bud Hunt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Feb 2007 03:07:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tony,

  I&#039;d love to see your blog.  I&#039;m finding that I need to teach some of what makes blogging so powerful explicitly.  I thought I could teach it implicitly -- but I think I was wrong.  I&#039;d love to see how you&#039;re finding success.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tony,</p>
<p>  I&#8217;d love to see your blog.  I&#8217;m finding that I need to teach some of what makes blogging so powerful explicitly.  I thought I could teach it implicitly &#8212; but I think I was wrong.  I&#8217;d love to see how you&#8217;re finding success.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony Iannone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony Iannone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Feb 2007 14:10:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This a very interesting subject...I just finished reading the Framing Blogging post...right now...I&#039;m in the &quot;frame&quot; of mind that our blog...Go Furthur...is a space to write. I really haven&#039;t &quot;taught&quot; my students how to blog...but in a way...I have...the way I &quot;frame&quot; the narrative for each post gives my students an idea of the type of writing that should be happening. For example...the Let&#039;s Chat post on our blog allows students to connect to each other or myself. Have I actually used the comments on the post to teach my students how to connect to each other? No. Should I? I don&#039;t know. What happens when I do that? I run the risk of getting back what Mr. Eye wants. Do I want that? Not necessarily. This is just one example though. I have another post on our blog that relates to literature I read to the class. Students comment about the text and connect to themselves as well as the world while doing so. Did I show them how to do this? No. Is that bad. I don&#039;t think so. So what am I saying here? I guess its that you can teach students how to blog without teaching them...directly. By providing a narrative that leads students to explore and make the connections on their own...that&#039;s where I&#039;m at right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This a very interesting subject&#8230;I just finished reading the Framing Blogging post&#8230;right now&#8230;I&#8217;m in the &#8220;frame&#8221; of mind that our blog&#8230;Go Furthur&#8230;is a space to write. I really haven&#8217;t &#8220;taught&#8221; my students how to blog&#8230;but in a way&#8230;I have&#8230;the way I &#8220;frame&#8221; the narrative for each post gives my students an idea of the type of writing that should be happening. For example&#8230;the Let&#8217;s Chat post on our blog allows students to connect to each other or myself. Have I actually used the comments on the post to teach my students how to connect to each other? No. Should I? I don&#8217;t know. What happens when I do that? I run the risk of getting back what Mr. Eye wants. Do I want that? Not necessarily. This is just one example though. I have another post on our blog that relates to literature I read to the class. Students comment about the text and connect to themselves as well as the world while doing so. Did I show them how to do this? No. Is that bad. I don&#8217;t think so. So what am I saying here? I guess its that you can teach students how to blog without teaching them&#8230;directly. By providing a narrative that leads students to explore and make the connections on their own&#8230;that&#8217;s where I&#8217;m at right now.</p>
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		<title>By: Bud Hunt</title>
		<link>http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2007/02/22/framing-blogging-making-connections/comment-page-1/#comment-923</link>
		<dc:creator>Bud Hunt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Feb 2007 22:13:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric -- I think you&#039;re right to teach blogging as a way to think about audience and purpose and all of those things.  I use blogs for those reasons, too.  But I think teaching blogging as a skill of its own has value, and lots of it, for the reasons that Connie mentions in her comment.  
Bonnie -- I&#039;d recommend checking out EducationBridges.net, an Elgg set up by Worldbridges.  It&#039;s for folks who want to dabble as well as communicate with other educators.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric &#8212; I think you&#8217;re right to teach blogging as a way to think about audience and purpose and all of those things.  I use blogs for those reasons, too.  But I think teaching blogging as a skill of its own has value, and lots of it, for the reasons that Connie mentions in her comment.<br />
Bonnie &#8212; I&#8217;d recommend checking out EducationBridges.net, an Elgg set up by Worldbridges.  It&#8217;s for folks who want to dabble as well as communicate with other educators.</p>
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		<title>By: Bonnie Kaplan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bonnie Kaplan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Feb 2007 13:16:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Bud,
  I have your blog on my bloglines account and love reading your posts.  I just linked your post to my tech team blog.  It&#039;s perfect for the issues that we face as a team with blogging.  I love to blog, but can&#039;t seem to keep them working on it. 
   I am in the process of setting up another group blog.  I wanted to create one of elgg but they aren&#039;t accepting new groups.  I see that you are experimenting with Excite that operates by them as well.  Can I create a group there?  Any suggestions with other places?
        Bonnie</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Bud,<br />
  I have your blog on my bloglines account and love reading your posts.  I just linked your post to my tech team blog.  It&#8217;s perfect for the issues that we face as a team with blogging.  I love to blog, but can&#8217;t seem to keep them working on it.<br />
   I am in the process of setting up another group blog.  I wanted to create one of elgg but they aren&#8217;t accepting new groups.  I see that you are experimenting with Excite that operates by them as well.  Can I create a group there?  Any suggestions with other places?<br />
        Bonnie</p>
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		<title>By: Connie Lindsey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Connie Lindsey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Feb 2007 11:39:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bud,
You are on target when you state that this is a question of content, not tools. Beyond that, however, it involves critical thinking about research. Teaching kids to read one article, poem, story in the light of another previously read and to see connections is challenging. We are asking them to read broadly and to see connections, two things my students have always resisted. But if we are to REALLY teach research, that is what we must teach, not just how to use library databases and make an accurate citation. I love it that you are working on this skill through blogging. If only students realize that they do this same connective writing any time they do authentic research.
Enjoyed your post!
Connie Lindsey
Pearl of the Concho Writing Project</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bud,<br />
You are on target when you state that this is a question of content, not tools. Beyond that, however, it involves critical thinking about research. Teaching kids to read one article, poem, story in the light of another previously read and to see connections is challenging. We are asking them to read broadly and to see connections, two things my students have always resisted. But if we are to REALLY teach research, that is what we must teach, not just how to use library databases and make an accurate citation. I love it that you are working on this skill through blogging. If only students realize that they do this same connective writing any time they do authentic research.<br />
Enjoyed your post!<br />
Connie Lindsey<br />
Pearl of the Concho Writing Project</p>
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		<title>By: Eric T. MacKnight</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric T. MacKnight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Feb 2007 06:34:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Bud,

This is really interesting. As an English teacher, my focus has been on using blogging as a way to motivate my students to write more, to write for real audiences, and to write more authentically than they usually do in school assignments. You can read my latest reflections on all of this &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ericmacknight.com/wordpress/?p=65&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;. 

Your idea—teaching blogging as a set of communication skills, rather than using blogging as a means of teaching writing—is something I haven&#039;t thought about at all. 

Now I&#039;m going to have to sit down and think about it.

Thanks!

Eric MacKnight
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.EricMacKnight.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.EricMacKnight.com&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Bud,</p>
<p>This is really interesting. As an English teacher, my focus has been on using blogging as a way to motivate my students to write more, to write for real audiences, and to write more authentically than they usually do in school assignments. You can read my latest reflections on all of this <a href="http://www.ericmacknight.com/wordpress/?p=65" rel="nofollow">here</a>. </p>
<p>Your idea—teaching blogging as a set of communication skills, rather than using blogging as a means of teaching writing—is something I haven&#8217;t thought about at all. </p>
<p>Now I&#8217;m going to have to sit down and think about it.</p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
<p>Eric MacKnight<br />
<a href="http://www.EricMacKnight.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.EricMacKnight.com</a></p>
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